tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1334761054277672365.post1132929025258578017..comments2024-03-22T03:19:38.110-04:00Comments on Forever In Hell: Inside a Man's Mind: Modesty, Part IPersonalFailurehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03034292023591747601noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1334761054277672365.post-54812326355802869242011-05-21T08:59:21.496-04:002011-05-21T08:59:21.496-04:00This post is so confusing to me (the original bits...This post is so confusing to me (the original bits, not the fisking).<br /><br />First off, I'm desperately curious to know what kind of outfits the guy's future wife wore to get him so fired up.<br /><br />Where I live, you can go outside and see women with cleavage and/or leg on display and also women wearing high-necked shirts and pants (t-shirts and jeans or blouses and slacks, of various levels of tightness). Probably the shirt-and-pants combo is more common than the more racy stuff. So either the OP lives in a place where women typically stroll around in hot pants and pasties, or the local womenz look pretty much like they do here but his future wife outdid them all by wearing some sort of tent with fishing waders and opera-length gloves.<br /><br />Also, he seems so utterly and amusingly <i>befuddled</i> by the idea that a woman might dress modestly. What exactly is giving him the trouble, here? Is he confused that not all women have the exact same sense of style? Is he confounded by the idea that women should be allowed to choose their own clothes? I mean...he's fascinated to the point where he wants to ask a woman <i>why</i> she dresses the way she does...as if the answer to that question is ever anything but "Because I like it" or "because it's my school/work/religious uniform."<br /><br />His post seriously does come off like bad erotica, though, so I think the crux of the matter is this: he assumes that women who wear sexy clothes are all doing it <i>just for him</i> and therefore an unsexily-dressed woman is playing an intriguing game of hard-to-get. She's covering up the goods just to tease him! She wants him to longingly <i>imagine</i> all the parts of her body he can't see! What a little temptress.<br /><br />The other thing that jumps out at me is that he simultaneously likes women to dress modestly but seems to have a terror of them "looking like men". So clearly it's not enough for a woman to be all covered up - it has to be a <i>dress</i>. A woman wearing pants and a button-up shirt is obviously trying to look like a man and that just don't fly in these parts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1334761054277672365.post-78625565580472738502011-05-16T21:03:40.882-04:002011-05-16T21:03:40.882-04:00What I find disturbing is that the blog that origi...What I find disturbing is that the blog that originally posted that dribble has 559 followers.Andrew Hallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01495983897864604830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1334761054277672365.post-67260703893164048792011-05-15T19:32:32.727-04:002011-05-15T19:32:32.727-04:00I was 20 years old and I believe I can honestly sa...<b>I was 20 years old and I believe I can honestly say that the issue of modesty had never crossed my mind - ever.</b><br /><br />You wha'?<br /><br />As someone who freaks out about the very concept of public changing rooms... how the hell is this even possible?<br /><br />I think what he means to say was "I believe I can honestly say that the issue of [men like myself authorising what clothes are appropriate for women to wear] had never crossed my mind - ever". In which case: I'm sorry you became an asshole at 20.<br /><br /><b>"Get used to that word, "meek(ly)". He likes it. A lot."</b><br /><br />I wish 'meekly' didn't have so many connotations with 'weak' and 'submissive', 'cause I like the word too. It's a good synonym for 'shy' or 'passive': for dealing with others without pushing against them, and it can be quite an endearing quality.<br /><br /><b>"It would take me another year or so to acknowledge this and summon the courage to ask at least one of the young ladies - WHY?"</b><br /><br />Oh god, that caps lock "WHY". The mental image. It's... it's... <i>beautiful</i>.<br /><br />Girl is walking down street: notices guy approaching at her. Remembers him: she saw him at a party a while back. He seemed nice, a bit weird: he'd kept staring at her sweater, but he still seemed okay. Guy reaches her, and she open her mouth with a smile to say "hi" when he dramatically falls to his knees and spreads his arms like an opera singer, intoning loudly in a baritone that carrys across the street: <b>"WWWWWWHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!?!?!?!?!?!?!?"</b><br /><br /><i>" Also, the sarcastiquotes around student make me uncomfortable."</i><br /><br /><i>So</i> glad I'm not the only one. The "young lady" didn't help at all.<br /><br />"<b>I am not ashamed to admit this, but I sat at my future wife's feet that semester and was schooled in the ways purity.</b>"<br />"<b>I was transfixed by her "way of life" and I absolutely had to get to the "why" and "what for" behind it.</b>"<br />"<b>You see, as I scheduled a curious number of group "discussions" that semester</b>"<br />"<b>I took the opportunity to probe Caroline </b>"<br /><br />Hey, he missed putting quotes around "schooled" and "probe". Possibly also "feet", but maybe he really meant feet when he said feet. Who am I to judge?<br /><br />With language like that, not to mention his strange ability to never think of modesty, he's got a future in the porn business if the fundamentalist christianity gig doesn't work out.<br /><br /><b>"modesty itself is an appendage to femininity and femininity to godliness."</b><br /><br />Okay, it's clear he's going for 'poetic' rather than 'utilitarian' or 'communicative', but "appendage"? No. Just... no. <i>Especially</i> not after all the "probing" and "discussions". Seriously.<br /><br />If it's okay, I'm going to erase the first mental image of "appendage" and replace it with something more HP Lovecraftian, which is slightly less likely to drive me to gibbering insanity. Ah... there we go. Sweet platonic mind numbing horror, how I've missed you.<br /><br />Afterthought: I'm not going to deride modesty, if it's a decision one is allowed to make on their own. I'm modest by virtue of being terrified of anyone seeing more than the allowed 20% skin (well okay, it's a bit more if you include lower legs during summer). But I correlate modesty with a combination of "amount of anatomy successfully covered" and "formality applicable to situation". These people with their warped stereotypes would call a full suit-and-tie ensemble immodest if a women was wearing it, despite it covering everything but the face and being formal and properly proper.Quasarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09398018171200335379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1334761054277672365.post-49358892408550601572011-05-15T02:18:32.822-04:002011-05-15T02:18:32.822-04:00K. S. -
yes, exactly! you sound like you have a g...K. S. -<br /><br />yes, exactly! you sound like you have a great relationship! [aside from the fact that i'm physically incapable of competing physically, that's how my relationship is, to an extent - we challenge each other in different ways :) ] that's the BEAUTY of it - a realtionship is supposed to bring out the best in you, and make you grow as a person, to better yourself...denelianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08083149213773118359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1334761054277672365.post-52455841242556632352011-05-14T20:06:35.042-04:002011-05-14T20:06:35.042-04:00I love you for writing this... so fucking much.
...I love you for writing this... so fucking much. <br /><br />My husband and I started dating because we competed... physically... on the Army Physical Fitness Test - as many pushups you can do in 2 minutes, as many sit ups you can do in 2 minutes, and 2 miles in as fast a time as possible. We were neck and neck, the best in our unit! <br /><br />And then we started debating (As my blog says... I love a good debate!) and arguing our opinions and coming to better conclusions and values because of it. We compete on so much, and love each other so much because of it... why? Because it means that we are equals. So long as we are always neck-and-neck, we are equal. And I have to say... a man that's not emasculated just because a woman can stand tall right along side him is a true sign of not just masculinity, but security! <br /><br />See? A man that is always his best, and will accept nothing less from me? Now, that's a great relationship because, unlike this guy, it's not all about appearance and raging hormones.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1334761054277672365.post-67506717246147112402011-05-14T15:59:29.494-04:002011-05-14T15:59:29.494-04:00Mormon beauty pageant gown (see right)<a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-hl8CGO8HMZQ/TbW_f7sR-JI/AAAAAAAAApA/zYzlKptrK9A/s1600/IMG.jpg" rel="nofollow">Mormon beauty pageant gown (see right)</a>Gen. JC Christian, Patriothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18168245574200791393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1334761054277672365.post-79924954641235802522011-05-14T15:57:52.220-04:002011-05-14T15:57:52.220-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Gen. JC Christian, Patriothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18168245574200791393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1334761054277672365.post-79256853485805714012011-05-14T15:25:36.772-04:002011-05-14T15:25:36.772-04:00Hey I can relate to the whole Jumper thing... can ...Hey I can relate to the whole Jumper thing... can you say Smokin' I also dig on schoolgirl uniforms and pigtails. Does that make me a virtuous husband. I like to think so.Rykhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16424545934239146403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1334761054277672365.post-13999589998786619282011-05-13T23:21:00.645-04:002011-05-13T23:21:00.645-04:00hey, if a man can't [or won't] compete wit...hey, if a man can't [or won't] compete with me, he's NOT worth my time. and i've refused, my entire life, to "dumb myself down" or otherwise make myself appear to be "less than" to "get a man". because any man for whom i have to such a thing in order to "get" him is TOTALLY not worth my time!<br /><br /><br />that was a bit redundant, but still...denelianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08083149213773118359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1334761054277672365.post-13250534622089565152011-05-13T16:47:32.406-04:002011-05-13T16:47:32.406-04:00Here's the thing I will say for the Amish: th...Here's the thing I will say for the Amish: the males dress in a mostly analogous fashion to the females. As opposed to the serious fundagelicals, whose men and boys you couldn't pick out of a crowd at a basketball game, yet whose women and girls just get SUCH the short end of the stick.Cynical Nymphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12601814894895238102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1334761054277672365.post-7291163375818320912011-05-13T14:56:28.362-04:002011-05-13T14:56:28.362-04:00"What scriptural exegetic is she tapping that..."What scriptural exegetic is she tapping that drives her to live thus?"<br /><br />Translation: "I'd like to tap <i>her</i> exegetic! Hur-hur!"<br /><br />Okay, that's probably not fair, but seriously: who talks that way?Michael Mockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06233321050691782148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1334761054277672365.post-23677939843042736082011-05-13T14:37:25.247-04:002011-05-13T14:37:25.247-04:00"I am a woman, made in the image of God, and ...<i>"I am a woman, made in the image of God, and if you were a true man of God, you would treat me, with all dignity and honor, according to the rights and privileges afforded to me by my Creator."</i><br /><br />And he doesn't get that message from women in miniskirts?<br /><br />Oh wait, around those women, he can't hear that message over the din of his own raging hormones, right?Jarredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04793668797961461325noreply@blogger.com