tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1334761054277672365.post4772678209268511393..comments2024-03-22T03:19:38.110-04:00Comments on Forever In Hell: Let's Hear It for Begging!PersonalFailurehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03034292023591747601noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1334761054277672365.post-77001454006741930472009-11-12T07:37:54.800-05:002009-11-12T07:37:54.800-05:00I am so glad that you and some of your commenters ...I am so glad that you and some of your commenters have shown me good examples of the tolerance that you preach. It's so refreshing!<br /><br />I love the claim that I exploit people. I wish that I were powerful and rich enough to exploit people--not that I would want to do so. I just wish that I were that rich and that powerful.Renaissance Guyhttp://myownpie.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1334761054277672365.post-46140491557261344322009-11-11T01:21:38.986-05:002009-11-11T01:21:38.986-05:00A good post on "Forever In Hell".And I w...A good post on "Forever In Hell".And I would like to say that I'm living my dream of owning my own business and working from home earning equally or more than the regular jobs by using http://debtfreeliving.ownanewbusiness.com.<br /><br />Thanks,<br />Wilson<br /><a href="http://debtfreeliving.ownanewbusiness.com" rel="nofollow">Own a new business</a>camilynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01024263073326014593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1334761054277672365.post-80534000856867178032009-11-10T12:20:31.111-05:002009-11-10T12:20:31.111-05:00I agree there are extremist in every party and Lib...I agree there are extremist in every party and Libertarians have our share. I truly believe that in a properly run free market economy (A) Health care would be much more affordable and (B) People would be much less poor and therefore able to pay for it.<br /><br />The problem with the more extreme elements of Libertarianism(and don't even get me started on the Repugnicans) is that they don't see that the economy is hollistic. If you just chop out one part that you don't like such as medical benefits for the poor. It won't resolve the problems that made medical benefits necessary it will just screw the poor.<br /><br />The US despite the propaganda has not been a market economy in close to a century, the fascist corporate welfare structure combined with a bread and circusses, TV and benefits, meathod of social engineering has made this country a mockery of both freedom and enterprise. Fixing this is not a simplistic matter of saying "Well lets cut out help for poor people and shut down the public schools" that would be disaster.<br /><br />Fixing it will require a measured process starting by creating competition among the producers. Removing price supports and bailouts for the extremely wealthy. Then working to increase freedom, bargaining authority and ultimately wealth for the working people. Once you have created an economy where everyone has a reasonable income and prices are truly based on what the market can support, then no one will need benefits and assistance beyond what they could get from their friends and family. That is when you start working to remove those programs. Not when doing so will make people suffer and die.Rykhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16424545934239146403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1334761054277672365.post-40526465288794377282009-11-10T10:22:53.052-05:002009-11-10T10:22:53.052-05:00Sorry for three posts in a row but,
RG, what you ...Sorry for three posts in a row but,<br /><br />RG, what you call stealing, let's just look at the numbers:<br /><br />http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_spe_per_per-health-spending-per-person<br /><br />So in 1998, the US spent 4,271 American dollars per person on health care.<br /><br />Canada spent 1,939<br />France spent 2,288<br />Japan spent 2,243<br />UK spent 1,675<br /><br />So you want to talk about stealing, then you can look at insurance companies, because it is apparent that countries that have national plans spend much less per person.BeamStalkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17772110446629492132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1334761054277672365.post-29407654068491436232009-11-10T10:14:49.405-05:002009-11-10T10:14:49.405-05:00To add, not all Libertarians are Ayn Rand fans eit...To add, not all Libertarians are Ayn Rand fans either, and won't throw around words like "stealing" like they have no meaning anymore.BeamStalkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17772110446629492132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1334761054277672365.post-85014103750715934252009-11-10T10:12:18.790-05:002009-11-10T10:12:18.790-05:00PF, first off not everyone who calls themselves Li...PF, first off not everyone who calls themselves Libertarian are like that, there are moderate Libertarians out there, like myself.<br /><br />Personally I am all for Public Health Care. Look at the numbers. The countries with public health care options have longer life spans and spend per capita less money on health. They are healthier and spend less. If you can't see that then you are blind to your ideologies.<br /><br />To me it is all about looking at reality. Right now we have system that is fucked. It needs to change. The systems that seem to work best are Public Health Care systems. So why try to jury-rig a failing system?BeamStalkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17772110446629492132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1334761054277672365.post-40332880544685098022009-11-10T10:03:05.662-05:002009-11-10T10:03:05.662-05:00Here's what it boils down to.
What you call b...Here's what it boils down to.<br /><br />What you call begging, I call asking for help from the only people who actually have the moral responsibility to help you--your friends and family and the members of your own community and the charities in your area.<br /><br />What you call "government benefits," I call forcing people to pay for other people's needs under threat of imprisonment. If you want money from wealthy people (and I'm not saying that you personally do), then ask for it. Call it begging, if you will, but it's better than stealing. <br /><br />We certainly have a different view of morality.<br /><br />-----<br /><br />Before you accuse me again of wanting people to die, I want you to know that I helped to support my sister when she was dying of cancer. My wife and I have given hundreds of dollars to friends in need. One time I bought a new transmission for a father who needed to get it fixed in order to get to work to support his family. Another time my wife and I joined another couple in buying a furnace for a young widow so that she and her son would be warm during the approaching winter.<br /><br />I am a very generous person. What I am not willing to do, however, is comfiscate money from other people.Renaissance Guyhttp://myownpie.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.com