tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1334761054277672365.post6690556956688140399..comments2024-03-22T03:19:38.110-04:00Comments on Forever In Hell: You're Enjoying This Way Too Much.PersonalFailurehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03034292023591747601noreply@blogger.comBlogger61125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1334761054277672365.post-51189432405294419102011-03-17T16:50:40.832-04:002011-03-17T16:50:40.832-04:00Beam;
i know, right? it's INFURIATING - who t...Beam;<br /><br />i know, right? it's INFURIATING - who the hell are THEY, to judge ME? <br />i was once told, by my best friend [who is a recovering fundy, but at the time was just a fundy] that i was a "better Christian" than most ACTUAL Christians she knew, because i actually did what Jesus said - and could i PLEASE "acknowledge" that i "WAS a Christian" so that i could "witness" to the rest of her fundy church?<br /><br />i cracked up - because most fundies REFUSE to follow Jesus' example and the path he meant for them to walk, and me showing up wasn't going to do a DAMNED thing but get me stoned [metaphorically, at least]. but i did eventually talk her into NOT being a fundy, and she's now a LOT closer to a real Christian [defined as "being Christ-like] than she was back when she was preaching judgement and damnation.<br />so that makes me happy.<br /><br /><br />a thing that somehow got dropped from my last comment - i have to wonder if HERE and NOW isn't *Hell*. it FEELS like it...<br />sighdenelianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08083149213773118359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1334761054277672365.post-34366207971746614092011-03-17T10:40:32.342-04:002011-03-17T10:40:32.342-04:00It came with my copy. Already played it (-: Workin...<i>It came with my copy. Already played it (-: Working on downloading most of the Mass Effect 2 DLC so I'll have it before I even start.</i><br /><br />Oh, right. When you get EA Games on not-Steam they do things in a not stupid way. I keep forgetting that bit...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1334761054277672365.post-52900766731504239152011-03-17T08:44:05.888-04:002011-03-17T08:44:05.888-04:00"since you've sat here and acted the Phar..."since you've sat here and acted the Pharisee."<br /><br />That describes every evangelical fundamentalist Christian I have ever talked too.BeamStalkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17772110446629492132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1334761054277672365.post-77727020509576932722011-03-17T08:05:04.443-04:002011-03-17T08:05:04.443-04:00"You need to get yourself some Bring Down the..."You need to get yourself some Bring Down the Sky DLC."<br /><br />It came with my copy. Already played it (-: Working on downloading most of the Mass Effect 2 DLC so I'll have it before I even start.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1334761054277672365.post-44825864856985072432011-03-17T05:07:35.482-04:002011-03-17T05:07:35.482-04:00PF;
so what i'm reading there, then, is that ...PF;<br /><br />so what i'm reading there, then, is that Hell is just going to be <i>what i'm already living</i>. just in a different body. same shit different body?<br /><br /><br />Justin: Hell is mentioned THREE TIMES in the Bible - once to show a rich man that allowing a starving man to DIE ON HIS DOORSTEP was bad; once to tell "everyone" THAT NOT BEING GENEROUS AND CHARITABLE IS BAD; and once as a mention of "instant total death" [this is in Revelations - the "Pit of Fire" is supposed to be "life snuffed out; no more afterwards"]<br /><br /><br />i have ZERO clue why Christians run around screaming "Hell! Hell! you're going to Hell!" when Jesus *NEVER SAID* that people would go there without his "grace" - he said being a selfish heartless bastard would do so, but he did NOT say it was for "forever".<br /><br />FURTHER, Jesus <i>wasn't trying to make a NEW religion</i>. he was just trying to fix the old one. the only reason there IS a new religion is Paul and is lust for power and misogyny.<br /><br />FURTHER FURTHER, the 1st commandment is "thou shalt have no other Gods BEFORE me" - not "thou shalt have NO other Gods". it's perfectly FINE to have other Gods, so long have YHVD or Yaweh or Jehova or whatever you call Him/Her/It is FIRST.<br /><br />go and READ that Bible you're tossing around - read what it REALLY SAYS about Hell, about love - and MOST FUCKING ESPECIALLY ABOUT *NOT JUDGING*. since you've sat here and acted the Pharisee.denelianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08083149213773118359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1334761054277672365.post-29664730845515324042011-03-17T02:26:12.760-04:002011-03-17T02:26:12.760-04:00Jason: You need to get yourself some Bring Down t...Jason: You need to get yourself some Bring Down the Sky DLC.<br /><br />And, yeah, you're playing it the way I play it. Paragon options generally get you where you want to go, but sometimes you just need to say, "Fuck it."<br /><br />Really, often times the difference between Paragon and Renegade is looking at the option and thinking, "Really? Who would say that?"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1334761054277672365.post-32704489916462062152011-03-16T22:46:34.814-04:002011-03-16T22:46:34.814-04:00I'm a latecomer to Mass Effect and am at the m...I'm a latecomer to Mass Effect and am at the moment still on the original at Virimire, but yes occasionally I do not choose the Paragon dialogue because it is almost too idealistic. As a result Shepard's paragon meter is full and her renegade meter has a little tiny bit of orange at the bottom.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1334761054277672365.post-87946801651186134792011-03-16T22:29:47.779-04:002011-03-16T22:29:47.779-04:00"Both my God and my Commander Shepard are Par...<b>"Both my God and my Commander Shepard are Paragons."</b><br /><br />Coincidence! Mine too! (although in my case, Shepard <i>is</i> my god.)<br /><br />That said, though, the theology of Hell certainly doesn't seem very Paragon to me, and the cynical "we're all completely reprehnsible sinners" contrasts rather sharply with P!Shepards almost-naive-at-times idealism. There is no Paragon action that involves torture, of any kind. [spoiler] Even Saren, genocidal murderor-of-millions, is offered the chance to redeem himself and return to society.Quasarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09398018171200335379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1334761054277672365.post-38443736664891357792011-03-16T21:41:30.127-04:002011-03-16T21:41:30.127-04:00@Quasar-
"So, I suppose the question, Justin...@Quasar-<br /><br />"So, I suppose the question, Justin, is this: does your God play as Paragon or Renegade?"<br /><br />Haha.... guess what video game I stopped talking to Justin to play in my earlier post? (-:<br /><br />Both my God and my Commander Shepard are Paragons.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1334761054277672365.post-15140552253082656602011-03-16T21:37:24.377-04:002011-03-16T21:37:24.377-04:00Holy mother of Whedon that was entertaining to rea...Holy mother of Whedon that was entertaining to read. Bravo Jason and Geds for the ruthlessly rational responses, and bravo Justin Edwards for sticking around for the debate and making a show of it.<br /><br />Justin, for future reference: you need to learn the difference between an assersion and an argument. For instance: <b>"There are many things that give the Bible credibility: historical authenticity, scientific accuracy, archeological evidence, and fingerprint of God known as prophecy."</b> is an assersion. You state it as if you expect us to respond with, "oh, well then, that settles that, budge over and make room for us on the Jesus couch."<br /><br />The problem is, we don't react like that. We're doubters. Remember Thomas? We're like him. We expect your assersions to be backed up by real evidence. And the things you mention are only convincing if you've already been convinced. Here, I'll show you how I react to these four incontrovertable proofs:<br /><br />Historical accuracy is about what one would expect from a text written 2000 years ago and maintained <i>religously</i> (Oh god, it's a pun...) since then. The gospels are quite accurate in their particulars. The story of Exodus, in contrast, is laughable at best.<br />Scientific accuracy... pfff! Ah, much lulz. The bible is scientifically accurate? Biologists everywhere beg to differ.<br />Archeological evidence. You mean the archeological evidence that the egyptians didn't own slaves?<br />Prophesy: Cold reading is the fingerprint of God? Does that mean that God has been invisibly feeling up horoscope readers all throughout history?<br /><br />Such reactions are the reason you need to provide evidence to support assersions like this. If you'd said "Read Random-Bible-Verse 6:96, where God says: "Lo! And in the of the eighteenth-hundred and fifty-nineth year a bearded ape shall give unto you a <br />comprehensive discussion of the mechanisms of change in life" I'd have given you credit for a) prophesy and b) scientific accuracy. Or I'd point out that there is no Gospel of Random-Bible-Verses.<br /><br />Instead, all I got was a blanket assersion that such evidence existed. Well, I've looked into it. I've been looking into it in my free time for the last 5 years. I've yet to see anything that supports your assersion, so you're going to have to support it yourself, 'kay?<br /><br /><b>"Consider the person closest to you in life. The person you love most. If John Doe brutally assaulted this person...</b> [mind skips the torture porn in self defense] <b>... does this person also deserve the mercy of God, Jason?</b><br /><br />Vengeance says no: burn him. Mercy says: this person is sick and insane. Isolate him and don't let him hurt anyone else. Teach him better. Give him a chance to see himself through the eyes of others, to come to regret his actions.<br /><br />So, I suppose the question, Justin, is this: does your God play as Paragon or Renegade?<br /><br /><b>What makes you any different than this cold-blooded murderer?</b><br /><br />He has brown hair. Duuuh.<br /><br />Oh, also the murdering and the killing and the <i>gnh-hyyven</i>.Quasarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09398018171200335379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1334761054277672365.post-82129171642364223932011-03-16T20:42:06.537-04:002011-03-16T20:42:06.537-04:00"See ya in hell, Skippy."
No, you won&#..."See ya in hell, Skippy."<br /><br />No, you won't. May God draw you into His grace, Jason. Take care.Justin Edwardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03212136847196280505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1334761054277672365.post-26766031042507990252011-03-16T17:56:54.127-04:002011-03-16T17:56:54.127-04:00See ya in hell, Skippy.
Fist.
Pump.<i>See ya in hell, Skippy.</i><br /><br />Fist.<br /><br />Pump.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1334761054277672365.post-56291219332013000312011-03-16T17:38:50.280-04:002011-03-16T17:38:50.280-04:00Sin of pride? Sin of pride? Really?
Do you re...Sin of pride? Sin of pride? Really?<br /><br />Do you realize how incredibly self righteous you sound in that paragraph where you boldy proclaim that you KNOW you are right and I am wrong and there MUST be something keeping me from accepting the Truth? ...and then you go and accuse me of the sin of pride?<br /><br /><br />I'm done talking to you. I'm done arguing with you. It is not worth my time. I have fun video games to play so that is what I shall do.<br /><br />See ya in hell, Skippy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1334761054277672365.post-17136520386186465582011-03-16T17:25:52.211-04:002011-03-16T17:25:52.211-04:00Justin said: Nothing in response to anything I'...Justin said: Nothing in response to anything I've said. Why? Because his statements are mere assertions based on (recently invented) tradition. His Bible cannot stand up to reality.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1334761054277672365.post-51310164358723222992011-03-16T17:13:42.477-04:002011-03-16T17:13:42.477-04:00Jason said: "Nope. I trust that He is mercifu...Jason said: "Nope. I trust that He is merciful enough to let me in and lots of other people who you think are destined for the furnace including our hostess here."<br /><br />Consider the person closest to you in life. The person you love most. If John Doe brutally assaulted this person, tortured them beyond belief, even raped them multiple times, then sliced their wrists so their life source would slowly be drained away until they died - does this person also deserve the mercy of God, Jason? What makes you any different than this cold-blooded murderer? Why should you go to heaven and John Doe not go to heaven? Or do you believe John Doe will go to heaven also? Because God is merciful?Justin Edwardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03212136847196280505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1334761054277672365.post-67266508427002453492011-03-16T17:05:13.419-04:002011-03-16T17:05:13.419-04:00Jason said: "How do you trust that Jesus said...Jason said: "How do you trust that Jesus said anything that the Scripture shows? You don't know that anymore than I do."<br /><br />Yes, I do, Jason. There are many things that give the Bible credibility: historical authenticity, scientific accuracy, archeological evidence, and fingerprint of God known as prophecy. Moreover, and personally speaking, I can attest to the reality of God by His authority over my life, causing me to be born again, freeing me from the bondage of sin, and giving me the ability to seek after His holiness and love Him and others with all of my heart, mind, soul, and strength. None of this would be possible without the Holy Spirit within me. <br /><br />Jason said: "Jesus wasn't really big on stoning adulteresses. The Old Testament said 'hell yeah, be sure and find an extra big rock.'"<br /><br />Actually, Jesus is God. He is the God of the Old Testament and the God of the Old Testament. Men could not live by the Law, and those who sought to keep the Law to earn their salvation without saving faith, their hearts were hardened and they abused what was given to them. I'm sure you've heard of some of them before, the Pharisees. When these Pharisees, in their hypocrisy, rebuked the adulteress, they did so with logs in their own eye. They did not see themselves as sinners, and as such would not be saved by the grace of God. Jesus did not come to the world to condemn the world, but to save the world, because the world was condemned already. So He told her neither does He condemn her, but He commanded her to go and sin no more. If she looked upon Him as the Son of God and repented from her sinful lifestyle, she was promised eternal life. But her forgiveness was conditional upon her repentance. <br /><br />Jason said: "Jesus said "Turn the other cheek." The Old Testament said "Eye for an Eye. Tooth for a Tooth."<br /> <br />Jesus also said, "you have heard from those of old, 'you shall not commit adultery.' But I say to you that whoever looks upon a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart." So Jesus actually upped the stakes. He goes on to say that unless you forsake everything you cannot be His disciple. So what are you holding onto, Jason, that is so precious to you to keep you from submitting to the lordship of Christ? What sin is so important to you that you are willing to forsake your soul to be happy in this life? Is it the sin of your pride, the sin of creating a god in your own image? The same sin that Rob Bell is committing, thus breaking the 1st and 2nd Commandments? <br /><br />Repent and believe the Gospel.Justin Edwardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03212136847196280505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1334761054277672365.post-7372652248339725182011-03-16T16:55:01.775-04:002011-03-16T16:55:01.775-04:00Our beliefs have no bearing on truth, although rel...<i>Our beliefs have no bearing on truth, although relativists would have you believe otherwise. Truth is reality. So the question is whether your belief is based on reality, or are you believing an illusion, eg a lie?</i><br /><br />You do realize the extreme irony of the fact that you are asking that question of others, right?<br /><br />The truth of reality is that the Bible has very little factual, historical, or scientific basis. Believing in and following the Bible as an infallible document requires you to ignore the vast amount of historical and scientific knowledge that contradicts its contents. The universe did not pop in to existence 6000 years ago. There was no global flood. There were not vast numbers of Israelite slaves in Egypt. The Persian kings did not appear in the order given by the Bible. There was no census of the whole world declared by Caesar Augustus.<br /><br />That is reality. And just because you believe that the Bible's reality is the real one, that doesn't mean it can suddenly become Truth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1334761054277672365.post-56546969549231911602011-03-16T16:49:39.608-04:002011-03-16T16:49:39.608-04:00"What matters is whether or not our beliefs a..."What matters is whether or not our beliefs are true." Yes, that is funny. It should have read, "what matters is whether or not the object of our belief is actually true." In other words, believing something does not make it true. Our beliefs have no bearing on truth, although relativists would have you believe otherwise. Truth is reality. So the question is whether your belief is based on reality, or are you believing an illusion, eg a lie?Justin Edwardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03212136847196280505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1334761054277672365.post-89074966149722568542011-03-16T16:40:30.575-04:002011-03-16T16:40:30.575-04:00Geds, you were kind you left out the reasons astro...Geds, you were kind you left out the reasons astrophysicists laugh at the Bible.BeamStalkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17772110446629492132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1334761054277672365.post-49189915573112206352011-03-16T16:35:56.880-04:002011-03-16T16:35:56.880-04:00*stands and claps*
You're too kind.
Although...<i>*stands and claps*</i><br /><br />You're too kind.<br /><br />Although I got that slightly wrong. Ezra takes place under Cyrus, Nehemiah takes place under Artaxerxes. Both of those guys were kings (many, many years apart...). Esther, on the other hand, takes place under Ahasuerus, who did not exist and wasn't an alternate spelling of anybody. It's possible that it's just a mistranslation of Artaxerxes, but I know of no scholarship that claims a relationship.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1334761054277672365.post-24869556375929425352011-03-16T15:40:02.357-04:002011-03-16T15:40:02.357-04:00*stands and claps*
..and the historian knows a b...*stands and claps*<br /><br /><br />..and the historian knows a bunch of stuff I don't know. (-:<br /><br />That again is why I read Biblical commentaries and other such books.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1334761054277672365.post-45416535973842938152011-03-16T15:34:54.092-04:002011-03-16T15:34:54.092-04:00[Part 4. And we're done.]
d)Circular reasoni...[Part 4. And we're done.]<br /><br />d)Circular reasoning works because circular reasoning works because...<br /><br />In all seriousness, though, the Bible says pi is exactly three and bugs have four legs. Using Biblical logic you'd be laughed at by mathematicians and entomologists alike.<br /><br />Also, according to the book of Daniel, Darius was the Persian king who conquered Babylon and was then replaced by Cyrus the Great. This is wrong. Cyrus conquered Babylon and Darius I came after the king who came after him. Also, if you look at the books of Ezra and Nehemiah you get two different stories of the return of the Jews to the Holy Land under two different Persian kings (one of whom didn't even exist). Historians, then, join mathematicians and entomologists in laughing at Biblical reasoning...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1334761054277672365.post-61470791426634427522011-03-16T15:34:16.977-04:002011-03-16T15:34:16.977-04:00[Part 3. Censorship!]
c)In truth, Jesus set the ...[Part 3. Censorship!]<br /><br />c)In truth, Jesus set the bar pretty low. He declared the year of the lord's favor at the start of his ministry. He then pretty much explicitly claimed that a single act of kindness was enough to reach heaven (the Good Samaritan, the sheep at the Throne) while a lifetime of callously ignoring the poor would get you thrown in to perdition (the story of Lazarus and Dives). That doesn't sound too bad, really.<br /><br />Also, he said that he came to fulfill the law and not abolish it. Therefore, I'm assuming you don't eat shellfish or trim your beard and make sure to ask all the women in your life whether or not they're menstruating before you touch them lest you become ritually unclean.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1334761054277672365.post-10059831164123619192011-03-16T15:33:10.056-04:002011-03-16T15:33:10.056-04:00[Part 2. Holy crap, Blogger is buggy today.]
b)J...[Part 2. Holy crap, Blogger is buggy today.]<br /><br />b)Jesus never preached free market capitalism. In fact, he said that rich would have as easy a time getting in to heaven as a camel through the eye of a needle. He also told a rich man who was doing everything right that he had to sell off all his possessions and give to the poor.<br /><br />I assume, then, that you have sold off all your goods and taken to living in a socialistic grouping with your fellow believers in the way described in Acts 2. If you have not done so, why are you picking and choosing which Scriptures to follow?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1334761054277672365.post-64904491086678113642011-03-16T15:31:49.929-04:002011-03-16T15:31:49.929-04:00Hooray! He stuck around! It's time to poke a...Hooray! He stuck around! It's time to poke away!<br /><br />Now, I'm not Jason (I don't even play him on TV), but I'ma give this one a whirl. Why? Because I can.<br /><br />a)Jesus emphatically did not say you must repent and believe the Gospel. The Gospel did not exist at the time. In fact, when speaking of judgment, he said that he would separate people in to the sheep and the goats, with the great distinction being whether or not the individual in question helped those in need. He also explicitly said there would be those who protested that they had preached in his name, but that he would say that he did not know them when the time came. As this sounds like a works-based salvation and most definitely not a faith-based system, how do you square that with the idea that only belief matters?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com