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Sunday, August 1, 2010
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I literally burst into laughter after a few moments when I saw that.
ReplyDeleteI mean … is there anything that PETA can’t or won’t translate into a massive PR failure?
Just … wow.
what exactly are you objecting to here?
ReplyDeleteMy problem with peta is what they do: they destroy most of the animals they "liberate", and they only treat the pr-worthy symptoms, like fur coats, and not the cause of the real problems in our relationships with animals: the destruction of habitats, and the destruction through exploitation of wild animals, such as whales. In other words, they are trying to save one potted plant, and ignoring the destruction of the forest.
ReplyDelete@Uzza —
ReplyDeleteTo argue for respecting animals, they show a pic of a woman chained to a bed. Granted, it could be innocuous BDSM play they’re trying to represent, but the manner they do it just reeks of “humans suck (especially wimmen”.
It’s just full of FAIL all around.
What Zilch said. When PETA starts actually doing things that help animals and the environment, I'll start considering the possiblility of giving them respect.
ReplyDeleteIn the meantime: Cat Carriers.
Rejecting the message based on dislike of the messenger is a classic logical fallacy.
ReplyDeleteWhat is your specific problem with this particular ad?
"What is your specific problem with this particular ad?" - May I? My problem with this ad and every other PETA ad is they use images of women to further their cause that I find offensive. I find the use of a woman CHAINED to a bed offensive. I don't like what it implies at all. Almost all of PETA's campaigns involved naked or near-naked women. They objectify women to further their agenda. And I don't like that. I don't like any group that sexualises women to sell a product. And to me they're selling an agenda. I mean have you seen their pork ad? They have a naked woman (always with PETA they're naked) and drawn on her body are meat joint parts. It's literally WOMEN AS MEAT. They have women in body bags covered in blood to highlight fuck knows what and they see nothing wrong with that. They're fucked. And they can get fucked as far as I'm concerned.
ReplyDeleteAlso in my opinion it's pretty fucking stupid to use the abuse of women to highlight the abuse of animals (in the way they're doing) because their ad campaigns seem to prove that so many people don't give a flying fuck about the mistreatment of women. I mean depicting a murdered woman in a bag covered in blood to highlight how many animals are "murdered" is beyond the pale. I mean have they considered how many women are murdered every year.
Sorry for the epic rant I just fucking hate those cunts.
Everything you say is true, but very little of it specific to or even relevant to this particular ad.
ReplyDeleteIf the chain wasn't wrapped around her ankle, was say just lying on the bed, would the ad still be unacceptable?
there is a lot of sh*t to flush!
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg2AezJo8aQ
THE HEAD OF THE INFIDEL!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojR-XRt4rrA
Is America burning yet?
Maybe we need some more...
we use the DIVINE against the ESTABLISHMENT... you?
we do better DEMOLITIONS than you, savage...
RENOUNCE YOUR ATHEISM AND JOIN THE SOCIALIST FAITH!
let them know if the MDC continues more people will die...
the WORLD TRADE CENTER PROPHECY - THE DANCE OF DEATH
WORLD TRADE CENTER PROPHECY
FLUSH ATHEISM!
Actually it is a ROYAL FLUSH!!!
Let me show you how ATHEISTS were partially responsible for 911
These ATHEISTS NEED TO BE ON THE TERRORIST WATCH LIST!
You don’t even have SCIENCE on your side…
You’re a perfect example of when PHILOSOPHY becomes an ENEMY OF LIFE...
http://stephenlaw.blogspot.com/2010/06/playing-mystery-card.html
not quite samantha with her *supernatural spit*, eh?
this isn't one of your little WORD GAMES...
blasphemy is a DEATH SENTENCE
you people actually BELIEVE the BS you preach!
GOD 1 - atheists 0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQcNiD0Z3MU
Atheists,
you are ENEMIES OF GOD AND ARE GOING TO BE ANNIHILATED...
Repent and turn to God or be destroyed...
YOU HAVE NO CHOICE...
my interpretation of the STATUE FIRE... it symbolizes the SPIRITUAL DEATH of atheism...
http://www.salon.com/news/2010/06/15/us_lightning_strikes_jesus_statue
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2010/6/16/1276680110544/The-King-of-Kings-statue--005.jpg
http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2010-06/54332292.jpg
http://friendlyatheist.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/butterjesus-1.jpg
PRINCESS DI IS WEARING A NEW DRESS!
http://www.princeofwales.gov.uk/speechesandarticles/a_speech_by_hrh_the_prince_of_wales_titled_islam_and_the_env_252516346.html
______________________________
http://skepticblog.org/2010/04/06/would-i-ever-pray-for-a-miracle/
Shermer, I WANT TO SEE YOU BEG FOR A MIRACLE...
___________________
we do like your music Lady Gaga, but...
The B**BQUAKE - 911
Let me show you the FATE OF TRAITORS...
http://www.loiterink.com/photos/products/182_3424_500x500.jpg
they are incapable of telling the difference between SCIENTIFIC *FACT* AND
RELIGIOUS AND PHILOSOPHICAL *TRUTH*... FATAL ERROR!
they also preach a *VALUE FREE SCIENCE* called *POSITIVISM* that ignores the
inequalities of wealth and power in capitalist civilization...
for a sample taste of PZ Myers' GARBAGE...
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/06/sunday_sacrilege_imagine_no_he.php
HIJACKING IN PROGRESS!!!
http://hawaiiwebgroup.com/maui-design/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/website-hijacking.jpg
HIJACKING IN PROGRESS!!!
how can these HEADLESS IDIOTS BET AGAINST GOD!!!
________________________________________
what happens when you LOSE Pascal's Wager...
http://www.peterkreeft.com/topics/pascals-wager.htm
____________
you FIGHT PAPER MONSTERS...
the blood and bodies of the atheist movement...
you mofos killed MICKEY MOUSE!!!!
this has more TRUTH then what Dawkins, Randi, Harris, Myers, and Shermer
combined have said in their entire lives...
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=5R2wE8Sduhs&playnext_from=TL&videos=hht1U_19anc&feature=rec-LGOUT-exp_fresh%2Bdiv-1r-3-HM
they tried to BULLDOZE the entire METAPHYSICAL DIMENSION...
they LOST THE WAR......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUB4j0n2UDU
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/7/11792994_ffaaee87fa.jpg
we're gonna smash that TV...
They had become ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE AND OF GOD...
degenerates (PZ) or children (HEMANT) - ATHEISTS!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRRg2tWGDSY
THE BOOBQUAKE - 911!
****************************************************
http://dissidentphilosophy.lifediscussion.net/philosophy-f1/the-boobquake-911-t1310.htm
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ReplyDelete"I find the use of a woman CHAINED to a bed offensive. I don't like what it implies at all."
ReplyDeleteChains + women = offensive to me.
I don't see the point of talking about how I would feel if the chains weren't around her ankles because they ARE around her ankles. And you are the one asking for what specifically bothers me. Specifically chaining a half-naked woman to a bed and using that to push any agenda is wrong to me.
And past campaigns are entirely relevant. PETA has ALWAYS used images of half-naked women either dead, dying or being objectified in some way in their campaigns. It shows that this is something they do regularly to push an agenda/to sell their veiwpoint. That is entirely relevant. I have no idea why you think it's not relevant.
To add to Boganette's point:
ReplyDeletePETA also uses the particular Hollywood flavor-of-the-month starlet who will be appearing naked in their next ad to keep the PR cycle running ahead full-steam. That should say everything you need to know about what they're doing. It's sensationalism for its own sake.
To say that this one ad is okay and we cannot consider any other ad they put out is pure, unfiltered BS. History and intent matter. That's why in the courts habitual offenders tend to get harder sentences thrown at them than first-timers. It's why premeditated murder carries with it a much heavier burden than unintentional manslaughter.
PETA habitually objectifies women in order to send out a sensationalistic message about saving the animals when they don't actually do a goddamn thing to save the vast majority of animals. And the ones they do save they're highly likely to turn around and kill, anyway, if they're not "sexy" enough.
Meanwhile, the ASPCA puts out ads with animals that have been abused. The local shelters (especially no-kill shelters) try to find a loving home for animals regardless of their history. They don't get nearly the money or the press, but they do much better work and actually help animals in the process.
So PETA can go away and take their pointless, objectifying bullshit ads with them.
And also, everything that Boganette and Geds said. Pretty much what I meant, only much more coherently explained. It’s not the message they intend to communicate that’s wrong (“help the abused animals”), but how they choose to go about it that’s completely fucked up.
ReplyDeletePETA don't care about how the portray women, because women are human, and if there's one thing PETA can't stand it's humans.
ReplyDeleteIt seems we are a curse on the planet and sooner we are eradicated the better. If the catwalk models who participate in their campaigns could feel the contempt PETA have for them they'd get a fright.
It's a weird image because she's chained...but she's also holding the whip. So she's both sub and dom at the same time. Would have been much more effective to have a pair of handcuffs and a whip on an empty bed - leaving things ambiguous/undefined given that the point is that whips and chains are all good and well when it involves consenting adults.
ReplyDeleteBut yeah, what others said about PETA failing repeatedly at this stuff.
I'd say it fails because whips and chains don't particularly belong in the bedroom. I mean, you can find them in the bedroom or utilize them in the bedroom; but the same would go for cheese sandwiches, ultimate thighmasters, ashtrays or curtains.
ReplyDeleteI'd prefer "Whips and chains should be utilized only in situations between consenting adults, you know, if that's their thing; but we find the practise of shackling animals questionable in an ethical sense - debates about consent notwithstanding, it's an empathy thing."
But then the writing might get in the way of the underwear model.
DM said...
ReplyDeleteThis post has been removed by the author.
Hey, is DM self-censoring now? That'll save time.
Personally, I think that unless you're advertising the objectification of women (i.e. porn, smut, etc) then objectifying women in your ads is pointless and stupid.
Even the 'meat' ads at least have a point: they're trying to make an analogy between humans and animals. But if they're trying to make a "how would you like it?" point, then why the hell are they using supermodels nobody but other supermodels can relate to, and not everyday people everyone can relate to? The message comes across less like "how would you like it if we did this to you" and more like "how would you like it if we did this to this half-naked woman."
And this one goes even further by not having any analogy at all to animal abuse. It's abundantly clear they were simply looking for yet another excuse to put up a naked supermodel, and the fact that this is the best they could come up with says heaps about their creativity. Or more accurately, their lack thereof.
So to answer uzza's question: "If the chain wasn't wrapped around her ankle, was say just lying on the bed, would the ad still be unacceptable?"
Yes. Yes it would.
we are talking about the 2nd coming to these little idiots!
ReplyDeletethere is a lot of sh*t to flush!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg2AezJo8aQ
THE HEAD OF THE INFIDEL!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojR-XRt4rrA
Is America burning yet?
Maybe we need some more...
we use the DIVINE against the ESTABLISHMENT... you?
we do better DEMOLITIONS than you, savage...
RENOUNCE YOUR ATHEISM AND JOIN THE SOCIALIST FAITH!
let them know if the MDC continues more people will die...
the WORLD TRADE CENTER PROPHECY - THE DANCE OF DEATH
WORLD TRADE CENTER PROPHECY
FLUSH ATHEISM!
Actually it is a ROYAL FLUSH!!!
Let me show you how ATHEISTS were partially responsible for 911
These ATHEISTS NEED TO BE ON THE TERRORIST WATCH LIST!
You don’t even have SCIENCE on your side…
You’re a perfect example of when PHILOSOPHY becomes an ENEMY OF LIFE...
http://stephenlaw.blogspot.com/2010/06/playing-mystery-card.html
not quite samantha with her *supernatural spit*, eh?
this isn't one of your little WORD GAMES...
blasphemy is a DEATH SENTENCE
you people actually BELIEVE the BS you preach!
GOD 1 - atheists 0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQcNiD0Z3MU
Atheists,
you are ENEMIES OF GOD AND ARE GOING TO BE ANNIHILATED...
Repent and turn to God or be destroyed...
YOU HAVE NO CHOICE...
my interpretation of the STATUE FIRE... it symbolizes the SPIRITUAL DEATH of atheism...
http://www.salon.com/news/2010/06/15/us_lightning_strikes_jesus_statue
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2010/6/16/1276680110544/The-King-of-Kings-statue--005.jpg
http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2010-06/54332292.jpg
http://friendlyatheist.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/butterjesus-1.jpg
PRINCESS DI IS WEARING A NEW DRESS!
http://www.princeofwales.gov.uk/speechesandarticles/a_speech_by_hrh_the_prince_of_wales_titled_islam_and_the_env_252516346.html
______________________________
http://skepticblog.org/2010/04/06/would-i-ever-pray-for-a-miracle/
Shermer, I WANT TO SEE YOU BEG FOR A MIRACLE...
___________________
we do like your music Lady Gaga, but...
The B**BQUAKE - 911
Let me show you the FATE OF TRAITORS...
http://www.loiterink.com/photos/products/182_3424_500x500.jpg
they are incapable of telling the difference between SCIENTIFIC *FACT* AND
RELIGIOUS AND PHILOSOPHICAL *TRUTH*... FATAL ERROR!
they also preach a *VALUE FREE SCIENCE* called *POSITIVISM* that ignores the
inequalities of wealth and power in capitalist civilization...
for a sample taste of PZ Myers' GARBAGE...
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/06/sunday_sacrilege_imagine_no_he.php
HIJACKING IN PROGRESS!!!
http://hawaiiwebgroup.com/maui-design/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/website-hijacking.jpg
HIJACKING IN PROGRESS!!!
how can these HEADLESS IDIOTS BET AGAINST GOD!!!
________________________________________
what happens when you LOSE Pascal's Wager...
http://www.peterkreeft.com/topics/pascals-wager.htm
____________
you FIGHT PAPER MONSTERS...
the blood and bodies of the atheist movement...
you mofos killed MICKEY MOUSE!!!!
this has more TRUTH then what Dawkins, Randi, Harris, Myers, and Shermer
combined have said in their entire lives...
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=5R2wE8Sduhs&playnext_from=TL&videos=hht1U_19anc&feature=rec-LGOUT-exp_fresh%2Bdiv-1r-3-HM
they tried to BULLDOZE the entire METAPHYSICAL DIMENSION...
they LOST THE WAR......
you have FORFEIT YOUR SOUL, shermer... you have become an object in the material world, as you WISHED...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUB4j0n2UDU
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/7/11792994_ffaaee87fa.jpg
we're gonna smash that TV...
THE BOOBQUAKE - 911!
****************************************************
http://dissidentphilosophy.lifediscussion.net/philosophy-f1/the-boobquake-911-t1310.htm
er, DM, is it just my imagination, or are you repeating yourself? Just askin'.
ReplyDeleteGot here from a link from a link.
ReplyDeleteI don't think sexy advertising is necessarily a bad thing. My problems with PETA are threefold:
First, what Zilch said -- they're misguided, and do far more harm than good. (eg. they think that keeping animals as companions is "slavery", and that letting them run loose in cities would be better.)
Second, an advertising strategy that has nothing to do with the issue you're trying to spread awareness of tends to fail. PETA's original campaigns showing horrible photos of animals in factory farms (to give credit where it's due) worked because it got people thinking about the abused animals. This bait-and-switch business just annoys people, and doesn't engage them with the issue at all.
Third, with stunts like the bloodied models in plastic wrap, they're trying to cross-pollinate the reaction of aesthetic pleasure/arousal with horror/disgust, and that is deeply creepy. "Look at the happy naked women!" generally doesn't elicit anything worse than an eyeroll from me, but "Look at the sexy tortured nubile butchered women!"... ew.