Many people operate under the naive assumption that atheists base their views on reason while Christians base their views on faith. In reality, it is just the opposite. Atheists place their faith in their limited human understanding while believers have by God's grace reached a higher level of knowledge regarding God and spirituality. Christians base their confidence upon knowledge and facts. I will call this higher level of knowledge "sanctified reason."
And I can call my coffee cup an otter, but it's not going to run down to the river and do cute little tricks with its little people hands.
Think of apologetics and human reason and evangelism as taking place at the base of a mountain as logic and human reason and the Gospel get presented to unbelievers. Think of Christian faith as being that thing which brings a person halfway up the mountain through Christian conversion when the Gospel is accepted. At that level, the mystery of the cross becomes clear and the new Christian now has sanctified reason. This sanctified reason cannot be understood at the base of the mountain because "the man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned." (1 Cor. 2:14) Think of the top of the mountain as being heaven where we as believers will have our highest level of reason which I will call "heavenly reason." "Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known." (1 Cor. 13:12)
Think of this post as a turtle. Now the words are the shell that protects the turtle and the pictures are his legs, propelling him along his way, slowly but surely. The links are his eyes, which allow him to see. Yeah, I don't know where I'm going with that, but it made exactly as much sense as that random spewing of words up there.
As atheists look up the mountain to Christians, it is impossible for them to know what Christians know unless they first believe in Christ for the forgiveness of their sins.
My socks are the source of mass in the universe. It's not the god particle, or some obscure interaction between forces, it's my socks. But that's ridiculous! you protest. No, it's true. Fine, prove it, you say. Once you believe that my socks are the source of mass, you'll see how true it is. O_o, you say. *.*, you continue >.<, and then you walk away.
It is dangerous to suggest to a believer that doubt and skepticism are a God-ordained aspect of faith. Those believers who are weak in faith can be pulled even further from any assurance of their salvation if they accept that premise. That is one step closer to having no faith in Christ.
Once you've admitted that thinking is something people shouldn't be doing, just accept the fact that it's a freakin' lie.
As believers look down the mountain at atheists and unbelievers, we are never to "look down on them" in terms of viewing ourselves as being superior. What is superior is the sanctified reason that God gives us in His Word.
We're not superior, but, yeah, we so totally are.
*If I ever actually got to meet Fred, I would probably squee.
That's a nice way to take apart that kind of thinking. I especially liked the turtle/blog post claim.
ReplyDeleteI would also add that once the reader believes your socks are the source of mass in the universe, all the other bizarre claims you make in this post will start to make sense. Because as I've read from Christian apologists, once you believe the major component of the belief system, the other "minor" insurmountable problems will not seem to be so critical.
Isn't the top of a mountain supposed to be a bad place to jump around on during a thunder storm?
ReplyDeleteShhh, atimetorend, stop blabbing Phase IV of the Atheist Agenda!
ReplyDelete"Sanctified reason" sounds a lot better than "made-up nonsense."
ReplyDeleteIf I ever actually got to meet Fred, I would probably squee.
ReplyDeleteGet in line.
Doesn't Fred live near you, PF?
ReplyDeleteAlright, alright!
ReplyDeletePlease indulge an old man yet again: what action does one take when one "squees"?
One has heard of "spoozing", but "squeeing" is a new one.
Get in line.
ReplyDeleteI know, right?
Also, hi, Jesu.
Please indulge an old man yet again: what action does one take when one "squees"?
It's a sound of joy. Imagine saying, "Yippee!" in a really high-pitched voice and you've basically got the idea.
It's socks, alright, but it's my socks. Your socks are apostates.
ReplyDeleteGood thing I swallowed before reading your post, Pers. Thanks again for doing your thing for us.
I love how the post basically seems to assume that all Athiests were never Christians at some point. I'm pretty sure that demographically that's hardly the case.
ReplyDeleteI know EXACTLY what it was like to be a Christian operating from my platform of, ahem, "sanctified reasoning". I also know exactly what it's like today for me operating from my platform of actual reasoning.
Seriously, this guy claims we look up to them because we don't know both sides, does that mean I can look down on him because I DO know both sides and know for a fact that he doesn't?
I have never figured out why/how Christians-or adherents to any other dogmatic faith, for that matter-consistently equate faith with science and/or logic. I guess most of them never passed logic classes. Not to mention science classes.
ReplyDeleteFOLLOW THE WHITE RABBIT...
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Smwrw4sNCxE
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THE B**BQUAKE - 911
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeblvLoVJCA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpZZ2PPBzP8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvSljPf9on4&feature=related
you are going to pay the price for this….
THE RUBBER DUCKY OF PSEUDOSCIENCE III - bret alan
http://daddytypes.com/archive/hofman_rubber_duckie.jpg
there is a lot of sh*t to flush!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg2AezJo8aQ
THE HEAD OF THE INFIDEL!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojR-XRt4rrA
Is America burning yet?
Maybe we need some more...
we use the DIVINE against the ESTABLISHMENT... you?
we do better DEMOLITIONS than you, savage...
RENOUNCE YOUR ATHEISM AND JOIN THE SOCIALIST FAITH!
let them know if the MDC continues more people will die...
the WORLD TRADE CENTER PROPHECY - THE DANCE OF DEATH
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0Hez25fFrg
FLUSH ATHEISM!
Actually it is a ROYAL FLUSH!!!
Let me show you how ATHEISTS were partially responsible for 911
These ATHEISTS NEED TO BE ON THE TERRORIST WATCH LIST!
You don’t even have SCIENCE on your side…
You’re a perfect example of when PHILOSOPHY becomes an ENEMY OF LIFE...
http://stephenlaw.blogspot.com/2010/06/playing-mystery-card.html
not quite samantha with her *supernatural spit*, eh?
this isn't one of your little WORD GAMES...
blasphemy is a DEATH SENTENCE
you people actually BELIEVE the BS you preach!
GOD 1 - atheists 0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQcNiD0Z3MU
Atheists,
you are ENEMIES OF GOD AND ARE GOING TO BE ANNIHILATED...
Repent and turn to God or be destroyed...
YOU HAVE NO CHOICE...
my interpretation of the STATUE FIRE... it symbolizes the SPIRITUAL DEATH of atheism...
http://www.salon.com/news/2010/06/15/us_lightning_strikes_jesus_statue
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2010/6/16/1276680110544/The-King-of-Kings-statue--005.jpg
http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2010-06/54332292.jpg
http://friendlyatheist.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/butterjesus-1.jpg
PRINCESS DI IS WEARING A NEW DRESS!
http://www.princeofwales.gov.uk/speechesandarticles/a_speech_by_hrh_the_prince_of_wales_titled_islam_and_the_env_252516346.html
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http://skepticblog.org/2010/04/06/would-i-ever-pray-for-a-miracle/
Shermer, I WANT TO SEE YOU BEG FOR A MIRACLE...
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we do like your music Lady Gaga, but...
The B**BQUAKE - 911
Let me show you the FATE OF TRAITORS...
http://www.loiterink.com/photos/products/182_3424_500x500.jpg
they are incapable of telling the difference between SCIENTIFIC *FACT* AND
RELIGIOUS AND PHILOSOPHICAL *TRUTH*... FATAL ERROR!
they also preach a *VALUE FREE SCIENCE* called *POSITIVISM* that ignores the
inequalities of wealth and power in capitalist civilization...
for a sample taste of PZ Myers' GARBAGE...
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/06/sunday_sacrilege_imagine_no_he.php
HIJACKING IN PROGRESS!!!
http://hawaiiwebgroup.com/maui-design/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/website-hijacking.jpg
HIJACKING IN PROGRESS!!!
how can these HEADLESS IDIOTS BET AGAINST GOD!!!
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what happens when you LOSE Pascal's Wager...
http://www.peterkreeft.com/topics/pascals-wager.htm
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you FIGHT PAPER MONSTERS...
THE BOOBQUAKE - 911!
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http://dissidentphilosophy.lifediscussion.net/philosophy-f1/the-boobquake-911-t1310.htm
Geds and Sarge;
ReplyDeletea squee is a bit MORE than that. it is, essentially, the long, drawn out version of a person [generally, but not always, female] who is SO overcome with joy that the only sound that emerges is a "sqeek" except they're SO excited, it goes on and one [and, as Geds pointed out, it's VERY high pitched, think 3rd-C-above-the-staff, or higher] into this: "SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!"
or; the sound made by a teenie-bopper right before fainting at the Beatles, or Elvis, or whomever.
TVTropes has a page on squee.
ReplyDeleteTheir theory is that it's "most likely a mutation of or derivation from "squeal". Possibly a Portmanteau of "squeal" and "glee".
And yes, I'd squee for Fred Clark too.