Monday, December 6, 2010

Body Language Doesn't Mean What You Think It Means

Theological Discourse gets exactly one thing right in this post about "hidden conversations":

My coach always told me that people have are having 2 conversations. The first conversation is the immediate conversation and the second conversation is the hidden conversation. The latter is made up of subtle things, body language, tone of voice, etc.

That's absolutely true. In face to face conversations, most of the information being conveyed is not in the words being spoken, it's in facial expression and body language. I wouldn't really say those things are "subtle", per se, merely unspoken. Most of us are capable of interpreting the unspoken information without thinking about it, but this is where people who are neurologically atypical (i.e., those with autism, those with processing disorders, etc.) run into problems, but that's another post for another site. It's also the reason internet communication can get ugly fast, in that it's difficult to convey sarcasm, and difficult to remember that you can neither see nor hear me, so misinterpretations happen a lot.

Anyway, TD interprets this to mean, well, something entirely unrelated to the complexities of human communication.

The following is a guideline of hidden conversations atheists have.

1. "There's no proof God exists," translates to "I don't know what the word proof means."

See, now that has nothing to do with body language, facial expression or tone of voice. I do know what the word "proof" means, and I have seen no such proof.

2. "There's no evidence God exists," translates to "I don't know what the word evidence means."

See above.

3. "There's no good evidence God exists," translates to "My definition of good(or the definitions I agree with) supersedes all other definitions of good," or "I don't know that good evidence is relative to the person viewing the evidence."

Look, how many times can we go over the definitions of related words? You could have covered this in one sentence.

4. "There's contradictions in the Bible," translates to "I don't know what a contradiction is."

Honey, you must not know what a contradiction is, because there absolutely are contradictions in the Bible. You would have to redefine "contradiction" to the point of absolute meaninglessness to say that any of the contradictions are not contradictions. Really though, it's irrelevant. This is just another Christian telling me that he knows what I think better than I know what I think, and besides being unbelievably arrogant, it's simply not true. I'm fairly certain there is something in the Bible about saying things that aren't true.

And really, what the fuck all do any of the numbered statements have to do with nonverbal communication? Oh, right, nothing. If you're going to segue, at least segue from something vaguely related.

It's funny how accurately you can discern what an atheist doesn't know from the things they claim to know.

It's funny how accurately you can discern exactly how arrogant and ignorant a Christian is from the things they claim to know. (HAHAHAHA Two can play this game!)

10 comments:

  1. Ooh, can I try?

    1. "There's plenty of proof that God exists" translates to "I believe that wishful thinking and sloppy logic constitute proofs."

    2. "There's plenty of evidence that God exists" translates to "It's all so obvious inside my head that I can't actually point to a specific, unambiguous piece of evidence."

    3. "There's good evidence God exists," translates to "Who are you gonna believe? Me? Or your own lyin' eyes?"

    4. "There are no contradictions in the bible" translates to "my reading comprehension skills are sadly lacking, and the complex mental gymnastic required to reconcile certain passages don't indicate actual contradictions, and besides, the apparent contradictions are really proof that the Disciples were writing down their real experiences."

    It's funny how accurately you can discern that someone is a really huge butthead when they start telling you what you "really" think.

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  2. "You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means."

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  3. now let me tell you a secret about iocaine powder . . .

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  4. "... the second conversation is the hidden conversation. The latter is made up of subtle things, body language, tone of voice, etc.
    ...
    The following is a guideline of hidden conversations atheists have."


    I went over there to see what you cut out (I assumed it had to be something), but it turns out... not much. Two examples of what body language in a boxing match means, then straight into what spoken words in a deabte with an atheist "mean." It's as abrupt and unexpected as you make it appear.

    Weird.

    Let's try accurately translating TD's four (okay, two. The first three are the same thing with varying levels of specifity) examples, shall we?

    1. "There's no proof God exists," translates to "I have never seen any evidence-beyond-reasonable-doubt that your god exists, despite looking."

    2. "There's no evidence God exists," translates to "I have never seen any evidence, period, that your god exists, despite looking."

    3. "There's no good evidence God exists," translates to "I have never seen any evidence that meets the standards of skepticism I apply to everything that your god exists, despite looking."

    4. "There's contradictions in the Bible," translates to "There's contradictions in the Bible. I've read them, you arrogant moron. They're pretty blatently obvious. Just because you are capable of incredible acts of theological flexibility to explain them doesn't make them not-contradictions."

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  5. I dropped TD a line:

    [cheerful grin] Fun fact: re-interpreting what people actually say to fit your preconcieved notions and thus failing to deal with their precice words is not actually the same thing as reading their body language. Especially when the words come over the internet, so there is no body language. [mildly amused smile, single raised eyebrow]

    [head tilts forward slightly] It's also arrogant and extremely offputting. [smile vanishes, eyes narrow] I know what I believe, I know which words I understand the definitions to, and when I say I have seen no evidence supporting the existance of your deity, guess what? [cheerfully insolent, lopsided smile, eyes still narrowed] No matter how much you would like to believe otherwise, to twist my words in order to demonise me and my beliefs, what I said is exactly what I meant."

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  6. *CHEER* GO QUASAR!!!



    where's the damned bookie? i wanna put $10 on Quasar!

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  7. and by the way, your insertion of your body language was both masterful and hilarious :D

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  8. ::snerk:: Nicely said, Quasar. Also, what Denelian just said.

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