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9 marks (I don't get the reference) explains what evangelism is- by defining what evangelism is not. (Go ahead, explain to an alien what a cupcake is by telling the alien what it is not. I'm sure the alien will get a really clear picture of cupcakes from that.)
The Impossibility of Imposition. Many people equate evangelism with imposition - someone imposing their religious views on another person as a ploy for power or control. But this idea is mistaken. keep going . . .
To equate evangelism with imposition implies that Christianity is only subjectively true - true and binding for me, but not for others. so it's totally okay for me to beat you over the head with The Origin of the Species? i can't even deal with this "objectively true" nonsense. clearly not, or we'd all be christians . . . oh, wait, these are the same people that don't accept evolution . . . and now i'm reduced to cogito ergo sum. Christianity is not man's subjective opinion. no, it's your subjective opinion. It is God's objective truth, regardless of our subjective opinions. oh, dear.
To equate evangelism with imposition implies that Christians are able to convert people themselves, which is entirely false. this is a "planting the seeds" argument. essentially, evangelists excuse their overwhelming failure to convert most people they try to convert by saying that only god can convert people, christians are only responsible for introducing people to the idea. as if anyone in the US has not heard of jesus. (I think I'm going to say to the next evangelist I meet "Jesus? Never heard of him." just to see what they do.) In fact, of all the religions in the world, Christianity is the one least amenable to such imposition because of its theology of conversion. uh, yeah.
Humanity is so entrenched in sin worthless! you're all worthless without god! that unless God's Spirit does the converting work Himself, none of us would ever repent and believe. it's not my fault these stupid heathens won't believe!
Therefore, Christianity is actually unique among world religions for the impossibility of imposing its belief structure on others. has he studied any other religions? buddhism, maybe? any pagan sect? Only God convinces people to repent and believe. well, cool, then, just leave us all alone then. we've all heard of your god, apparently he hasn't gotten around to converting us, so go get a hobby.
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Thursday, April 23, 2009
Monday, March 2, 2009
Ray Comfort Lies, Therefore God Exists
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I'm beginning to wonder if Ray Comfort is suffering from some sort of progressive degenerative condition. His arguments started out illogical and ignorant and are now entirely idiotic. If I were close to Ray *steps away to puke*, I would take him to a doctor.
Today, we get this argument: "I lie, therefore god exists."
"Ray is flat-out lying to you.”
“I'm sick of your constant lying, Ray.”
“You're a dishonest, lying for Jesus, punk.”
“Lying for Jesus again?”
“That makes you a liar Ray.”
"You liar, Ray!”
“So I repeat. Ray is lying. Lying is wrong.”
“You are an ignorant, lying idiot.”
"YOU ARE A LIAR. IF YOUR GOD EXISTS HE WILL CONDEMN YOU TO HELL"
Could an atheist explain to me why it’s wrong to lie, and from where do you get this moral code by which you judge right from wrong? It's wrong to lie for a number of reasons, Ray. For one thing, society doesn't work very well if you can't trust anything anyone says. Humans don't do too well without society, therefore, keeping society together is in everyone's best interest.
Telling the truth is easier than lying. Lying requires remembering your lies, and most often begets other lies. Generally, lying puts a wedge between you and whomever you lied to. (Unless they asked you about their hair, their butt or their shoes. Don't ever tell the truth in that situation unless the truth is nice. The operative word in "brutally honest" is "brutally".)
Lying is not respectful. People should be treated with respect.
I don't want to be lied to, therefore I do not lie to others.
Oh, look, not a god in sight.
If you believe that it's shaped by society, if society says that lying is okay (91% of Americans lie regularly), is it then right? Of course not. I don't shape my beliefs by what society says is okay. If slavery came into vogue again, I wouldn't go buy someone. A link to where you got that percentage from would have been nice.
The point is, you have a God-given conscience that intuitively tells you that lying is morally wrong. no proof. just a bald assertion. Ray's getting lazy. See Romans 2:15 to see what that conscience affirms...
Romans 2:15 NKJV: who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them)
First of all, the bible is no more important to me than Harry Potter, so fail on that. Secondly, that verse is clear as mud. Let's see if including more of Romans 2 might help.
Romans 2:12 - 16 NIV is far more enlightening.
12All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law.
13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. There you go, Ray. Liar for Christ is not going to work out for you.
14(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law,
15since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.)
16This will take place on the day when God will judge men's secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.
Yet another conversion fail courtesy of Ray Comfort.
I'm beginning to wonder if Ray Comfort is suffering from some sort of progressive degenerative condition. His arguments started out illogical and ignorant and are now entirely idiotic. If I were close to Ray *steps away to puke*, I would take him to a doctor.
Today, we get this argument: "I lie, therefore god exists."
"Ray is flat-out lying to you.”
“I'm sick of your constant lying, Ray.”
“You're a dishonest, lying for Jesus, punk.”
“Lying for Jesus again?”
“That makes you a liar Ray.”
"You liar, Ray!”
“So I repeat. Ray is lying. Lying is wrong.”
“You are an ignorant, lying idiot.”
"YOU ARE A LIAR. IF YOUR GOD EXISTS HE WILL CONDEMN YOU TO HELL"
Could an atheist explain to me why it’s wrong to lie, and from where do you get this moral code by which you judge right from wrong? It's wrong to lie for a number of reasons, Ray. For one thing, society doesn't work very well if you can't trust anything anyone says. Humans don't do too well without society, therefore, keeping society together is in everyone's best interest.
Telling the truth is easier than lying. Lying requires remembering your lies, and most often begets other lies. Generally, lying puts a wedge between you and whomever you lied to. (Unless they asked you about their hair, their butt or their shoes. Don't ever tell the truth in that situation unless the truth is nice. The operative word in "brutally honest" is "brutally".)
Lying is not respectful. People should be treated with respect.
I don't want to be lied to, therefore I do not lie to others.
Oh, look, not a god in sight.
If you believe that it's shaped by society, if society says that lying is okay (91% of Americans lie regularly), is it then right? Of course not. I don't shape my beliefs by what society says is okay. If slavery came into vogue again, I wouldn't go buy someone. A link to where you got that percentage from would have been nice.
The point is, you have a God-given conscience that intuitively tells you that lying is morally wrong. no proof. just a bald assertion. Ray's getting lazy. See Romans 2:15 to see what that conscience affirms...
Romans 2:15 NKJV: who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them)
First of all, the bible is no more important to me than Harry Potter, so fail on that. Secondly, that verse is clear as mud. Let's see if including more of Romans 2 might help.
Romans 2:12 - 16 NIV is far more enlightening.
12All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law.
13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. There you go, Ray. Liar for Christ is not going to work out for you.
14(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law,
15since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.)
16This will take place on the day when God will judge men's secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.
Yet another conversion fail courtesy of Ray Comfort.
Monday, February 23, 2009
Pancake Eating Atheists
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Let's review Ray Comfort's* latest screed against atheists, from zimbio.com. (I'm not sure why, but he was a guest blogger on zimbio on February 2. I guess Shakespeare's mythical monkeys were booked.)
The Miracle of Atheism
by Ray Comfort
I was a pastor for three and a half years. Three and a half years in the Bible is the time of tribulation. I honestly don't know what he's talking about. Premillenial dispensationalists believe that the Rapture will happen (god whisks the faithful heaven bodily- and naked!) then there are 7 years of tribulation, then . . . well, then it gets really weird from there. somewhere in those 7 years is a 3.5 year drought. maybe that's what Mr. Comfort is referencing. I disliked the experience intensely. probably not enough money in it. not a lot of fame, either. I didn’t like being trapped between four walls listening to people unload their problems those damn parishioners, expecting you to listen to them! how dare they!, and it was a breath of fresh air when I began to get invitations for me why would you get invitations for anyone else? to travel and speak. it would be a little odd to get invitations purely to travel.
It was the publication of my first book in 1977 that opened doors for me. It was about drug abuse, and it was eventually made into a documentary. My Friends Are Dying: the causes, the effects and the cure to drug abuse. The documentary, I can't find any mention of When I sent my cameraman to get some B-roll he captured a fight between rival gangs. They were using knives and axes, axes? really? axes? more than one? i can see one crazy asshole showing up with an ax, but several? and the footage was immediately seized by police and used as Supreme Court evidence.
I suspect this to be a lie. A really big lie. I just went through every Supreme Court case from 1977-1979 and could find no mention of such a case. Maybe, just maybe, Mr. Comfort is referring to the Supreme Court of California, which is entirely different from "the Supreme Court". Even so, that seems unlikely. Supreme Courts don't hear cases involving drug possession and assault with a deadly weapon. Cases only go the a supreme court on appeal, and appeals have to do with procedural issues, constitutionality of a rule or law itself, that sort of thing.
The ensuing publicity and the inclusion of the clip in the film generated national publicity, and over 2,000 showed up for the premiere (over 1,000 didn’t make it into the theater and a second screening had to be hurriedly arranged). Again, I can find no mention of this incident or the documentary at all. The itinerant ministry was also helped by the fact that for 12 years I spoke almost daily at what was called “Speaker’s Corner” in the heart of our city. Does Mr. Comfort ever give specifics? What city? There were always atheists in the crowd, and they were always vocal, perhaps spurred on by a T-shirt I wore that said, “I don’t believe in atheists.” yes, Mr. Comfort, I will grant you your ability to gain attention. 2 year olds are really good at that, too. It was my continually addressing the issue of the existence of God that lead me to publish a booklet called The Atheist Test no, it's not. it's your inexplicable obsessive hatred of atheists that led to that ridiculous booklet. , that was a simple test that showed the atheist that he didn't exist. no, it didn't. duh. i'm an atheist. i exist, ergo . . . dumbass. It sold more than a million copies.
Late in 2007, a courageous Christian dropped a handful of these booklets at a gathering of staunch atheists. wow, he's even more courageous than firefighters running into burning buildings or soldiers going to battle. dropping booklets on a table and walking away is just the height of courage. These people were so committed to the belief that God didn’t exist they met once a month at the local IHOP (International House of Pancakes) at the John Wayne Airport in Orange County, California.
what? stop and think about that. christians meet between once a week and every day in churches. jews meet once a week. muslims (i think) meet once a week. book clubs meet at least once a month. wow, they're the most dedicated atheists i've ever heard of.
When they found out that I authored the booklet, they kindly invited me to join them for dinner on January 8th, 2008. at the IHOP? They requested that I get there an hour early to “set a baseline,” because some of their members “do get a bit hot-headed when discussing religion.” nice of them to warn you. I accepted their invitation and decided to take my manager with me. you needed your manager in order to informally discuss religion with a group of atheists? really? Mark Spence is the dean of the “School of Biblical Evangelism.” he's the "dean" of an online, unaccredited course in evangelism. dean. seriously? does Mr. Comfort ever say anything that's entirely true?
Before we went, I received permission from them to also take a handheld camera. I was determined not to go there to win an argument, but to simply show that I deeply cared for them as people, nope, nothing Mr. Comfort says is entirely true. which commandment is that, Mr. Comfort? as most atheists in this category what category? pancake eating atheists? have the impression that Christians don’t like them. because of asshats like you, asshat.
We arrived about five minutes early, shook hands and sat down. why do I care that everyone arrived 5 minutes early? wait a minute, one paragraph ago, you were supposed to get there an hour early. so, you were actually 55 minutes late. After the orders were taken, I quietly approached the waiter and told him to give me the bill for the entire party. When he brought it to me I was almost shaking with excitement.why? If someone had tried to take it off me I would have physically fought them. weird. I felt like I used to feel with my kids early on Christmas morning. again, why? When they found out that I had personally paid the tab they were very grateful, polite, pleasant, kind, and extremely thankful those pathetic atheists and their cheap, cheap ways.(see 1 Peter 2:15).
For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men: basically, Mr. Comfort is using a bible quote to demonstrate that most people are polite enough not to be rude to the guy who paid for their meal, but he's also calling those same people "fools". sorry, Mr. Comfort, if the price of the meal is you calling me names, I can damn well pay for my own meal.
The experience was a highlight of my life. you have children, but forcing atheists to be nice to you by paying for dinner is a highlight of your life?! Then about ten of us huddled around a table and talked about the things of God for about an hour. It was up close and personal. Mark Spence answered every question and objection they had, calmly and eloquently. I took copies of my new book, How to Know God Exists, and all the folks at our table wanted one (it’s a strange feeling signing books for atheists) who are somewhat like humans, but not quite. Then we posed for pictures, and left, almost bursting with joy after such a wonderful opportunity to meet and talk with these dear people. and the smarmy meter hit 10!
moving along to completely unrelated events that make Mr. Comfort look cool:
I am very fortunate in that I co-host an award-winning television program with actor Kirk Cameron. It’s in its third season, is aired in 70 countries, and is on 31 networks. why doesn't he ever give people fucking names! It's called The Way of the Master and has won The show has won the National Religious Broadcasters' People’s Choice 2004, 2005, 2006, and Best Program, 2005 and 2006. it's not a freakin' Emmy, Ray. This has helped to raise my profile (not my popularity) in the atheist community. actually, i had no freakin' idea that this show existed. your profile in the atheist community is high because you continually insult us and tell credulous idiots that we're immoral psychopaths. thanks for making children afraid of us, Ray. asshat. On one of our programs, Kirk and I took an orangutan to lunch to discuss the subject of evolution. you brought a wild animal to a restaurant for what? I also called eight major airlines and asked if I could take an orangutan on board a plane with me, because he was a “relative.” you bothered innocent customer service representatives, who make a little more than minimum wage, with this ridiculous request? to say that you deliberately misrepresent evolution is to say that water is wet, Ray. Every one of the airlines said that he had to go into the cargo hold. Needless to say, the program isn’t very popular with atheists. and would you enjoy a TV show that insulted christians nonstop? of course not. However, these things (and the fact the ABC TV hosted a debate between Kirk and myself and two atheists NAMES!) have given me some sort of reputation Jeffrey Dahmer also had "some sort of reputation", and they daily frequent my blog and bombard me with questions. questions like "Ray, I've explained this 76 times already and you still tell the same lies. Do you just not read the comments, or are you deliberately lying?" Some of them boil with anger, others mock, and some are polite. almost all are polite. much more polite than Ray. But all of them obey the rules and make sure that they give God a capital “G.” If they don’t, their comment is deleted. my comments almost always get deleted. and I capitalize god, bible, and jesus and i don't use curse words.
In a day when the foolishness of atheism is gaining credibility with so many again with the namecalling. asshat., I thought it would be unique and extremely beneficial to publish questions that were asked by these atheists, along with my answers i could have come up with those answers by randomly combining Jesus, God and pray in a Mad Libs fashion. As soon as I had that thought, there was a big bang, and out came the book. Amazingly, the text fell together, the page numbers fell in line, it bound itself, the cover designed itself, and then out of nowhere a title evolved: You Can Lead an Atheist to Evidence, But You Can’t Make Him Think. Incredibly, there was no author, no printer, and no publisher. It was a modern miracle. What sort of crazy person would you think I was if I said that nobody wrote the book? That really is crazy-talk. So why would anyone give any credibility to an atheist? *sigh* that's just insane, doesn't address the Big Bang theory at all, doesn't address evolution in any substantive way, AND if Ray did read the comments on his blog, he'd know better.
*Why do I harp on Mr. Comfort so much? Mr. Comfort despises atheists. One would think atheists broke into his house, burned it to the ground, then stood outside and laughed while anally raping his grandmother and pouring sugar into the gas tank of his brand new SUV. It's unhealthy how obsessed he is with atheists.
Let's review Ray Comfort's* latest screed against atheists, from zimbio.com. (I'm not sure why, but he was a guest blogger on zimbio on February 2. I guess Shakespeare's mythical monkeys were booked.)
The Miracle of Atheism
by Ray Comfort
I was a pastor for three and a half years. Three and a half years in the Bible is the time of tribulation. I honestly don't know what he's talking about. Premillenial dispensationalists believe that the Rapture will happen (god whisks the faithful heaven bodily- and naked!) then there are 7 years of tribulation, then . . . well, then it gets really weird from there. somewhere in those 7 years is a 3.5 year drought. maybe that's what Mr. Comfort is referencing. I disliked the experience intensely. probably not enough money in it. not a lot of fame, either. I didn’t like being trapped between four walls listening to people unload their problems those damn parishioners, expecting you to listen to them! how dare they!, and it was a breath of fresh air when I began to get invitations for me why would you get invitations for anyone else? to travel and speak. it would be a little odd to get invitations purely to travel.
It was the publication of my first book in 1977 that opened doors for me. It was about drug abuse, and it was eventually made into a documentary. My Friends Are Dying: the causes, the effects and the cure to drug abuse. The documentary, I can't find any mention of When I sent my cameraman to get some B-roll he captured a fight between rival gangs. They were using knives and axes, axes? really? axes? more than one? i can see one crazy asshole showing up with an ax, but several? and the footage was immediately seized by police and used as Supreme Court evidence.
I suspect this to be a lie. A really big lie. I just went through every Supreme Court case from 1977-1979 and could find no mention of such a case. Maybe, just maybe, Mr. Comfort is referring to the Supreme Court of California, which is entirely different from "the Supreme Court". Even so, that seems unlikely. Supreme Courts don't hear cases involving drug possession and assault with a deadly weapon. Cases only go the a supreme court on appeal, and appeals have to do with procedural issues, constitutionality of a rule or law itself, that sort of thing.
The ensuing publicity and the inclusion of the clip in the film generated national publicity, and over 2,000 showed up for the premiere (over 1,000 didn’t make it into the theater and a second screening had to be hurriedly arranged). Again, I can find no mention of this incident or the documentary at all. The itinerant ministry was also helped by the fact that for 12 years I spoke almost daily at what was called “Speaker’s Corner” in the heart of our city. Does Mr. Comfort ever give specifics? What city? There were always atheists in the crowd, and they were always vocal, perhaps spurred on by a T-shirt I wore that said, “I don’t believe in atheists.” yes, Mr. Comfort, I will grant you your ability to gain attention. 2 year olds are really good at that, too. It was my continually addressing the issue of the existence of God that lead me to publish a booklet called The Atheist Test no, it's not. it's your inexplicable obsessive hatred of atheists that led to that ridiculous booklet. , that was a simple test that showed the atheist that he didn't exist. no, it didn't. duh. i'm an atheist. i exist, ergo . . . dumbass. It sold more than a million copies.
Late in 2007, a courageous Christian dropped a handful of these booklets at a gathering of staunch atheists. wow, he's even more courageous than firefighters running into burning buildings or soldiers going to battle. dropping booklets on a table and walking away is just the height of courage. These people were so committed to the belief that God didn’t exist they met once a month at the local IHOP (International House of Pancakes) at the John Wayne Airport in Orange County, California.
what? stop and think about that. christians meet between once a week and every day in churches. jews meet once a week. muslims (i think) meet once a week. book clubs meet at least once a month. wow, they're the most dedicated atheists i've ever heard of.
When they found out that I authored the booklet, they kindly invited me to join them for dinner on January 8th, 2008. at the IHOP? They requested that I get there an hour early to “set a baseline,” because some of their members “do get a bit hot-headed when discussing religion.” nice of them to warn you. I accepted their invitation and decided to take my manager with me. you needed your manager in order to informally discuss religion with a group of atheists? really? Mark Spence is the dean of the “School of Biblical Evangelism.” he's the "dean" of an online, unaccredited course in evangelism. dean. seriously? does Mr. Comfort ever say anything that's entirely true?
Before we went, I received permission from them to also take a handheld camera. I was determined not to go there to win an argument, but to simply show that I deeply cared for them as people, nope, nothing Mr. Comfort says is entirely true. which commandment is that, Mr. Comfort? as most atheists in this category what category? pancake eating atheists? have the impression that Christians don’t like them. because of asshats like you, asshat.
We arrived about five minutes early, shook hands and sat down. why do I care that everyone arrived 5 minutes early? wait a minute, one paragraph ago, you were supposed to get there an hour early. so, you were actually 55 minutes late. After the orders were taken, I quietly approached the waiter and told him to give me the bill for the entire party. When he brought it to me I was almost shaking with excitement.why? If someone had tried to take it off me I would have physically fought them. weird. I felt like I used to feel with my kids early on Christmas morning. again, why? When they found out that I had personally paid the tab they were very grateful, polite, pleasant, kind, and extremely thankful those pathetic atheists and their cheap, cheap ways.(see 1 Peter 2:15).
For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men: basically, Mr. Comfort is using a bible quote to demonstrate that most people are polite enough not to be rude to the guy who paid for their meal, but he's also calling those same people "fools". sorry, Mr. Comfort, if the price of the meal is you calling me names, I can damn well pay for my own meal.
The experience was a highlight of my life. you have children, but forcing atheists to be nice to you by paying for dinner is a highlight of your life?! Then about ten of us huddled around a table and talked about the things of God for about an hour. It was up close and personal. Mark Spence answered every question and objection they had, calmly and eloquently. I took copies of my new book, How to Know God Exists, and all the folks at our table wanted one (it’s a strange feeling signing books for atheists) who are somewhat like humans, but not quite. Then we posed for pictures, and left, almost bursting with joy after such a wonderful opportunity to meet and talk with these dear people. and the smarmy meter hit 10!
moving along to completely unrelated events that make Mr. Comfort look cool:
I am very fortunate in that I co-host an award-winning television program with actor Kirk Cameron. It’s in its third season, is aired in 70 countries, and is on 31 networks. why doesn't he ever give people fucking names! It's called The Way of the Master and has won The show has won the National Religious Broadcasters' People’s Choice 2004, 2005, 2006, and Best Program, 2005 and 2006. it's not a freakin' Emmy, Ray. This has helped to raise my profile (not my popularity) in the atheist community. actually, i had no freakin' idea that this show existed. your profile in the atheist community is high because you continually insult us and tell credulous idiots that we're immoral psychopaths. thanks for making children afraid of us, Ray. asshat. On one of our programs, Kirk and I took an orangutan to lunch to discuss the subject of evolution. you brought a wild animal to a restaurant for what? I also called eight major airlines and asked if I could take an orangutan on board a plane with me, because he was a “relative.” you bothered innocent customer service representatives, who make a little more than minimum wage, with this ridiculous request? to say that you deliberately misrepresent evolution is to say that water is wet, Ray. Every one of the airlines said that he had to go into the cargo hold. Needless to say, the program isn’t very popular with atheists. and would you enjoy a TV show that insulted christians nonstop? of course not. However, these things (and the fact the ABC TV hosted a debate between Kirk and myself and two atheists NAMES!) have given me some sort of reputation Jeffrey Dahmer also had "some sort of reputation", and they daily frequent my blog and bombard me with questions. questions like "Ray, I've explained this 76 times already and you still tell the same lies. Do you just not read the comments, or are you deliberately lying?" Some of them boil with anger, others mock, and some are polite. almost all are polite. much more polite than Ray. But all of them obey the rules and make sure that they give God a capital “G.” If they don’t, their comment is deleted. my comments almost always get deleted. and I capitalize god, bible, and jesus and i don't use curse words.
In a day when the foolishness of atheism is gaining credibility with so many again with the namecalling. asshat., I thought it would be unique and extremely beneficial to publish questions that were asked by these atheists, along with my answers i could have come up with those answers by randomly combining Jesus, God and pray in a Mad Libs fashion. As soon as I had that thought, there was a big bang, and out came the book. Amazingly, the text fell together, the page numbers fell in line, it bound itself, the cover designed itself, and then out of nowhere a title evolved: You Can Lead an Atheist to Evidence, But You Can’t Make Him Think. Incredibly, there was no author, no printer, and no publisher. It was a modern miracle. What sort of crazy person would you think I was if I said that nobody wrote the book? That really is crazy-talk. So why would anyone give any credibility to an atheist? *sigh* that's just insane, doesn't address the Big Bang theory at all, doesn't address evolution in any substantive way, AND if Ray did read the comments on his blog, he'd know better.
*Why do I harp on Mr. Comfort so much? Mr. Comfort despises atheists. One would think atheists broke into his house, burned it to the ground, then stood outside and laughed while anally raping his grandmother and pouring sugar into the gas tank of his brand new SUV. It's unhealthy how obsessed he is with atheists.
Friday, February 20, 2009
Atheists Really Like Pancakes
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Let's review Ray Comfort's* latest screed against atheists, from zimbio.com. (I'm not sure why, but he was a guest blogger on zimbio on February 2. I guess Shakespeare's mythical monkeys were booked.)
*Why do I harp on Mr. Comfort so much? Mr. Comfort despises atheists. One would think atheists broke into his house, burned it to the ground, then stood outside and laughed while anally raping his grandmother and pouring sugar into the gas tank of his brand new SUV. It's unhealthy how obsessed he is with atheists.
Let's review Ray Comfort's* latest screed against atheists, from zimbio.com. (I'm not sure why, but he was a guest blogger on zimbio on February 2. I guess Shakespeare's mythical monkeys were booked.)
The Miracle of Atheism
by Ray Comfort
I was a pastor for three and a half years. Three and a half years in the Bible is the time of tribulation. I honestly don't know what he's talking about. Premillenial dispensationalists believe that the Rapture will happen (god whisks the faithful heaven bodily- and naked!) then there are 7 years of tribulation, then . . . well, then it gets really weird from there. somewhere in those 7 years is a 3.5 year drought. maybe that's what Mr. Comfort is referencing. I disliked the experience intensely. probably not enough money in it. not a lot of fame, either. I didn’t like being trapped between four walls listening to people unload their problems those damn parishioners, expecting you to listen to them! how dare they!, and it was a breath of fresh air when I began to get invitations for me why would you get invitations for anyone else? to travel and speak. it would be a little odd to get invitations purely to travel.
It was the publication of my first book in 1977 that opened doors for me. My Friends Are Dying: the causes, the effects and the cure to drug abuse. The documentary, I can't find any mention of It was about drug abuse, and it was eventually made into a documentary. When I sent my cameraman to get some B-roll he captured a fight between rival gangs. They were using knives and axes, axes? really? axes? more than one? i can see one crazy asshole showing up with an ax, but several? and the footage was immediately seized by police and used as Supreme Court evidence.
I suspect this to be a lie. A really big lie. I just went through every Supreme Court case from 1977-1979 and could find no mention of such a case. Maybe, just maybe, Mr. Comfort is referring to the Supreme Court of California, which is entirely different from "the Supreme Court". Even so, that seems unlikely. Supreme Courts don't hear cases involving drug possession and assault with a deadly weapon. Cases only go the a supreme court on appeal, and appeals have to do with procedural issues, constitutionality of a rule or law itself, that sort of thing.
The ensuing publicity and the inclusion of the clip in the film generated national publicity, and over 2,000 showed up for the premiere (over 1,000 didn’t make it into the theater and a second screening had to be hurriedly arranged). Again, I can find no mention of this incident or the documentary at all. The itinerant ministry was also helped by the fact that for 12 years I spoke almost daily at what was called “Speaker’s Corner” in the heart of our city. Does Mr. Comfort ever give specifics? What city? There were always atheists in the crowd, and they were always vocal, perhaps spurred on by a T-shirt I wore that said, “I don’t believe in atheists.” yes, Mr. Comfort, I will grant you your ability to gain attention. 2 year olds are really good at that, too. It was my continually addressing the issue of the existence of God that lead me to publish a booklet called The Atheist Test no, it's not. it's your inexplicable obsessive hatred of atheists that led to that ridiculous booklet. , that was a simple test that showed the atheist that he didn't exist. no, it didn't. duh. i'm an atheist. i exist, ergo . . . dumbass. It sold more than a million copies.
Late in 2007, a courageous Christian dropped a handful of these booklets at a gathering of staunch atheists. wow, he's even more courageous than firefighters running into burning buildings or soldiers going to battle. dropping booklets on a table and walking away is just the height of courage. These people were so committed to the belief that God didn’t exist they met once a month at the local IHOP (International House of Pancakes) at the John Wayne Airport in Orange County, California.
what? stop and think about that. christians meet between once a week and every day in churches. jews meet once a week. muslims (i think) meet once a week. book clubs meet at least once a month. wow, they're the most dedicated atheists i've ever heard of.
When they found out that I authored the booklet, they kindly invited me to join them for dinner on January 8th, 2008. at the IHOP? They requested that I get there an hour early to “set a baseline,” because some of their members “do get a bit hot-headed when discussing religion.” nice of them to warn you. I accepted their invitation and decided to take my manager with me. you needed your manager in order to informally discuss religion with a group of atheists? really? Mark Spence is the dean of the “School of Biblical Evangelism.” he's the "dean" of an online, unaccredited course in evangelism. dean. seriously? does Mr. Comfort ever say anything that's entirely true?
Before we went, I received permission from them to also take a handheld camera. I was determined not to go there to win an argument, but to simply show that I deeply cared for them as people, nope, nothing Mr. Comfort says is entirely true. which commandment is that, Mr. Comfort? as most atheists in this category what category? pancake eating atheists? have the impression that Christians don’t like them. because of asshats like you, asshat.
We arrived about five minutes early, shook hands and sat down. why do I care that everyone arrived 5 minutes early? wait a minute, one paragraph ago, you were supposed to get there an hour early. so, you were actually 55 minutes late. After the orders were taken, I quietly approached the waiter and told him to give me the bill for the entire party. When he brought it to me I was almost shaking with excitement.why? If someone had tried to take it off me I would have physically fought them. weird. I felt like I used to feel with my kids early on Christmas morning. again, why? When they found out that I had personally paid the tab they were very grateful, polite, pleasant, kind, and extremely thankful those pathetic atheists and their cheap, cheap ways.(see 1 Peter 2:15).
For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men: basically, Mr. Comfort is using a bible quote to demonstrate that most people are polite enough not to be rude to the guy who paid for their meal, but he's also calling those same people "fools". sorry, Mr. Comfort, if the price of the meal is you calling me names, I can damn well pay for my own meal.
The experience was a highlight of my life. you have children, but forcing atheists to be nice to you by paying for dinner is a highlight of your life?! Then about ten of us huddled around a table and talked about the things of God for about an hour. It was up close and personal. Mark Spence answered every question and objection they had, calmly and eloquently. I took copies of my new book, How to Know God Exists, and all the folks at our table wanted one (it’s a strange feeling signing books for atheists) who are somewhat like humans, but not quite. Then we posed for pictures, and left, almost bursting with joy after such a wonderful opportunity to meet and talk with these dear people. and the smarmy meter hit 10!
moving along to completely unrelated events that make Mr. Comfort look cool:
I am very fortunate in that I co-host an award-winning television program with actor Kirk Cameron. It’s in its third season, is aired in 70 countries, and is on 31 networks. why doesn't he ever give people fucking names! It's called The Way of the Master and has won The show has won the National Religious Broadcasters' People’s Choice 2004, 2005, 2006, and Best Program, 2005 and 2006. it's not a freakin' Emmy, Ray. This has helped to raise my profile (not my popularity) in the atheist community. actually, i had no freakin' idea that this show existed. your profile in the atheist community is high because you continually insult us and tell credulous idiots that we're immoral psychopaths. thanks for making children afraid of us, Ray. asshat. On one of our programs, Kirk and I took an orangutan to lunch to discuss the subject of evolution. you brought a wild animal to a restaurant for what? I also called eight major airlines and asked if I could take an orangutan on board a plane with me, because he was a “relative.” you bothered innocent customer service representatives, who make a little more than minimum wage, with this ridiculous request? to say that you deliberately misrepresent evolution is to say that water is wet, Ray. Every one of the airlines said that he had to go into the cargo hold. Needless to say, the program isn’t very popular with atheists. and would you enjoy a TV show that insulted christians nonstop? of course not. However, these things (and the fact the ABC TV hosted a debate between Kirk and myself and two atheists NAMES!) have given me some sort of reputation Jeffrey Dahmer also had "some sort of reputation", and they daily frequent my blog and bombard me with questions. wquestions like "Ray, I've explained this 76 times already and you still tell the same lies. Do you just not read the comments, or are you deliberately lying?" Some of them boil with anger, others mock, and some are polite. almost all are polite. much more polite than Ray. But all of them obey the rules and make sure that they give God a capital “G.” If they don’t, their comment is deleted. my comments almost always get deleted. and I capitalize god, bible, and jesus and i don't use curse words.
In a day when the foolishness of atheism is gaining credibility with so many again with the namecalling. asshat., I thought it would be unique and extremely beneficial to publish questions that were asked by these atheists, along with my answers i could have come up with those answers by randomly combining Jesus, God and pray in a Mad Libs fashion. As soon as I had that thought, there was a big bang, and out came the book. Amazingly, the text fell together, the page numbers fell in line, it bound itself, the cover designed itself, and then out of nowhere a title evolved: You Can Lead an Atheist to Evidence, But You Can’t Make Him Think. Incredibly, there was no author, no printer, and no publisher. It was a modern miracle. What sort of crazy person would you think I was if I said that nobody wrote the book? That really is crazy-talk. So why would anyone give any credibility to an atheist? *sigh* that's just insane, doesn't address the Big Bang theory at all, doesn't address evolution in any substantive way, AND if Ray did read the comments on his blog, he'd know better.
*Why do I harp on Mr. Comfort so much? Mr. Comfort despises atheists. One would think atheists broke into his house, burned it to the ground, then stood outside and laughed while anally raping his grandmother and pouring sugar into the gas tank of his brand new SUV. It's unhealthy how obsessed he is with atheists.
Wednesday, February 18, 2009
Ray Comfort Revealed
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Mr. Comfort, of Atheist Central fame, has a new blog at examiner.com (other examiner bloggers include psychics and ghost hunters). Considering Mr. Comfort's draconian comment policy at Atheist Central, I'm a little surprised at his new blog, which allows instant posting of any comment.
Fortunately for us, this allowed alphgeek to give me the following tip: a report from Fox News regarding donations from Will Smith. Now I love Will Smith, but Will Smith once famously said "...the ideas of the Bible are 98 percent the same ideas of Scientology, 98 percent the same ideas of Hinduism and Buddhism", which is hardly a philosophy Mr. Comfort publicly endorses. (Mr. Comfort's philosophy would be more accurately described as "if you don't believe what I believe you will burn in hell forever, asshole".) So you can see why I might find it a little odd that Mr. Comfort accepted a $200,000 donation from Mr. Smith to Living Waters, Mr. Comfort's ministry.
I would also like to share with you some of the titles of Mr. Comfort's "more than 60 books". (thank you, JimmieNineBellies)
101 Annoying Things: About Other Drivers
101 Annoying Things: About Air Travel
Overcoming Panic Attacks (written by a man who is NOT a psychiatrist, psychologist or even an LCSW
101 Things Kids Can do to Annoy Their Parents
Uh, yeah. That's something to be proud of.
Mr. Comfort, of Atheist Central fame, has a new blog at examiner.com (other examiner bloggers include psychics and ghost hunters). Considering Mr. Comfort's draconian comment policy at Atheist Central, I'm a little surprised at his new blog, which allows instant posting of any comment.
Fortunately for us, this allowed alphgeek to give me the following tip: a report from Fox News regarding donations from Will Smith. Now I love Will Smith, but Will Smith once famously said "...the ideas of the Bible are 98 percent the same ideas of Scientology, 98 percent the same ideas of Hinduism and Buddhism", which is hardly a philosophy Mr. Comfort publicly endorses. (Mr. Comfort's philosophy would be more accurately described as "if you don't believe what I believe you will burn in hell forever, asshole".) So you can see why I might find it a little odd that Mr. Comfort accepted a $200,000 donation from Mr. Smith to Living Waters, Mr. Comfort's ministry.
I would also like to share with you some of the titles of Mr. Comfort's "more than 60 books". (thank you, JimmieNineBellies)
101 Annoying Things: About Other Drivers
101 Annoying Things: About Air Travel
Overcoming Panic Attacks (written by a man who is NOT a psychiatrist, psychologist or even an LCSW
101 Things Kids Can do to Annoy Their Parents
Uh, yeah. That's something to be proud of.
Tuesday, February 17, 2009
Converting Children
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I found this comment on the Rapture Ready message boards more than a little disturbing.
This could shut down Child Evangelism Fellowship Good News Clubs that are on so many elementary school campuses across the country. There are many of us that spend time on those campuses and give kids the gospel every week. We have seen so many children come to Christ! Just in the area where I live, we have seen so many professions of faith this year. Because these clubs are sponsored by churches, many of these kids become regular attenders at local churches and bring their parents with them. It has been a wonderful evangelism tool through the years. Before the law was passed to allow them into the schools, we used to have them in various homes in the community. Don't think we won't go back to that method if we have to!
Think about that for a second. You send your child to a public school. It doesn't really matter what religion you are or aren't, do you want someone converting your children without your permission?
Messing with someone else's children is beyond low, and I imagine the same Child Evangelism Fellowship's Good News Clubs' members would be enraged if I did that to their children. Social boundaries alone should inspire people to kick these idiots out of elementary schools. Elementary schools! I could get first grader to believe anything, absolutely anything. That's . . . I'm speechless with anger. Wow.
More on this later.
I found this comment on the Rapture Ready message boards more than a little disturbing.
This could shut down Child Evangelism Fellowship Good News Clubs that are on so many elementary school campuses across the country. There are many of us that spend time on those campuses and give kids the gospel every week. We have seen so many children come to Christ! Just in the area where I live, we have seen so many professions of faith this year. Because these clubs are sponsored by churches, many of these kids become regular attenders at local churches and bring their parents with them. It has been a wonderful evangelism tool through the years. Before the law was passed to allow them into the schools, we used to have them in various homes in the community. Don't think we won't go back to that method if we have to!
Think about that for a second. You send your child to a public school. It doesn't really matter what religion you are or aren't, do you want someone converting your children without your permission?
Messing with someone else's children is beyond low, and I imagine the same Child Evangelism Fellowship's Good News Clubs' members would be enraged if I did that to their children. Social boundaries alone should inspire people to kick these idiots out of elementary schools. Elementary schools! I could get first grader to believe anything, absolutely anything. That's . . . I'm speechless with anger. Wow.
Monday, February 16, 2009
The Problem with Christian Apologetics
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You know what the problem is with Christian apologetics? (Well, other than "christian".) Christian apologetics require some thought and understanding on the part of the proselytizer, which causes two problems: (a) most people just aren't educated enough about their belief system to do more than parrot the apologetic, and (b) religion isn't really something most people can't examine that closely and remain comfortable with it.
(a) allows someone like me to mercilessly pound the proselytizer into submission. Not a good way to get converts.
(b) sows the seeds of your own doubt. I was raised christian. Five years ago, if you had asked me if I believed in God and Jesus and heaven and hell, I would have said yes. I really did believe in those things. Then I actually read the bible cover to cover. My faith was dead before the end of Genesis.
Apparently, there is a new movement afoot in the evangelical community: no apologetics, no explanations, no attempt at rational discourse at all. Since I can't think of any reason to assume that simply telling people you believe a thing might convert them, I can only assume this is to protect believers from the consequences of thinking.
From the Rapture Ready bulletin boards:
Kamatu: God said it, I believe it, that settles it
For the Christian believer, this is the core of their apologetic. Nothing more is needed, except some study if you find a passage hard for you to understand. if you don't have trouble with large swathes of the bible, it doesn't mean what you think it does. seriously, stop and think about this. the most recent passages were written 2000 years ago, by a people whose culture was entirely unlike our own, in an entirely different language. It was then translated multiple times by many different people. Shakespeare is beyond most people, and he wrote in english, around 500 years ago. As a Christian, any defense of the faith (as required in 1 Peter 3:15* and Jude 3**) does not require some kind of fake "neutral" ground. explaining your religion now qualifies as fake neutral ground? One example I've seen repeatedly is a demand to "not use the Bible", but how can we as Christians give up what is to be the rule and guide of our faith? no, i don't want you to give up your "rule and guide", but trying to convince me of god's existence using a book i find no more special than the dictionary isn't terribly helpful. It is not our job to open the heart of the unbeliever, simply our duty to present the reason for the faith that is within us and contend earnestly. wait, are you presenting reasons or not? "god said it" is not a reason. It is God's prerogative to bring conviction on them that they might be saved.
nothing like a little dogma to start my week.
*But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
**Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
I have come to the conclusion that bible verses rarely have anything to do with what the believer says they do.
You know what the problem is with Christian apologetics? (Well, other than "christian".) Christian apologetics require some thought and understanding on the part of the proselytizer, which causes two problems: (a) most people just aren't educated enough about their belief system to do more than parrot the apologetic, and (b) religion isn't really something most people can't examine that closely and remain comfortable with it.
(a) allows someone like me to mercilessly pound the proselytizer into submission. Not a good way to get converts.
(b) sows the seeds of your own doubt. I was raised christian. Five years ago, if you had asked me if I believed in God and Jesus and heaven and hell, I would have said yes. I really did believe in those things. Then I actually read the bible cover to cover. My faith was dead before the end of Genesis.
Apparently, there is a new movement afoot in the evangelical community: no apologetics, no explanations, no attempt at rational discourse at all. Since I can't think of any reason to assume that simply telling people you believe a thing might convert them, I can only assume this is to protect believers from the consequences of thinking.
From the Rapture Ready bulletin boards:
Kamatu: God said it, I believe it, that settles it
For the Christian believer, this is the core of their apologetic. Nothing more is needed, except some study if you find a passage hard for you to understand. if you don't have trouble with large swathes of the bible, it doesn't mean what you think it does. seriously, stop and think about this. the most recent passages were written 2000 years ago, by a people whose culture was entirely unlike our own, in an entirely different language. It was then translated multiple times by many different people. Shakespeare is beyond most people, and he wrote in english, around 500 years ago. As a Christian, any defense of the faith (as required in 1 Peter 3:15* and Jude 3**) does not require some kind of fake "neutral" ground. explaining your religion now qualifies as fake neutral ground? One example I've seen repeatedly is a demand to "not use the Bible", but how can we as Christians give up what is to be the rule and guide of our faith? no, i don't want you to give up your "rule and guide", but trying to convince me of god's existence using a book i find no more special than the dictionary isn't terribly helpful. It is not our job to open the heart of the unbeliever, simply our duty to present the reason for the faith that is within us and contend earnestly. wait, are you presenting reasons or not? "god said it" is not a reason. It is God's prerogative to bring conviction on them that they might be saved.
nothing like a little dogma to start my week.
*But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
**Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
I have come to the conclusion that bible verses rarely have anything to do with what the believer says they do.
Wednesday, February 4, 2009
Death Ticker
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Seriously, this is awesome! Awesomely awesome!
This is the first thing that comes up on the webpage (I have a discreet Google search. Feel free to use it.)
150,000 People Will Die Today The counter to the side to the right are rapidly rising numbers in BRIGHT RED is ticking off the number of people who have died since you opened this webpage so far? 14.5. The vast majority of those people are entering Hell. Yes! You're all going to hell- unless you believe exactly what I do! I know the secret, and the rest of you will burn! Only I know the answer- follow me without thinking or suffer for all eternity! Christ commanded his followers to share the Gospel with those who are perishing get thee to a nursing home, then, because as of today, I'm okay... who have you shared with today? 26.3
The counter comes from Living Waters, your evangelism resource- a subsidiary of Ray Comfort, professional Liar for Christ(tm). 47.1
I'm letting the counter run to see if it stops at 150,000. 63.4
Seriously, this is awesome! Awesomely awesome!
This is the first thing that comes up on the webpage (I have a discreet Google search. Feel free to use it.)
150,000 People Will Die Today The counter to the side to the right are rapidly rising numbers in BRIGHT RED is ticking off the number of people who have died since you opened this webpage so far? 14.5. The vast majority of those people are entering Hell. Yes! You're all going to hell- unless you believe exactly what I do! I know the secret, and the rest of you will burn! Only I know the answer- follow me without thinking or suffer for all eternity! Christ commanded his followers to share the Gospel with those who are perishing get thee to a nursing home, then, because as of today, I'm okay... who have you shared with today? 26.3
The counter comes from Living Waters, your evangelism resource- a subsidiary of Ray Comfort, professional Liar for Christ(tm). 47.1
I'm letting the counter run to see if it stops at 150,000. 63.4
Friday, January 30, 2009
Anal Sex is Godly?
The fact is, fundamentalist christianity satirizes itself so effectively, that sometimes I can't tell satire from sincere belief. (see: Landover Baptist)
I'm finding it hard to tell if Anal Sex in Accordance with Christ's Will is snark or sincere. If it's snark, it's fucking brilliant. In fact, it's entirely possible that a piece of snark could be encouraging "abstinence only" freaks to be having oral and anal sex, which would be . . . well, that wins right there. My snark doesn't encourage Teh Butt Seks.
On the other hand, if this is sincere, then people are having anal sex under the belief that as long as a penis doesn't get inside a vagina, there's no sex. For the record: anal sex is not chastity. It's freakin' sex. And, how does one encourage anal sex as not sex between a man and a woman, but the greatest of all evuls if it's between a man and a man? (I apologize, clearly the religious right would be capable of that sort of doublethink. They do it every day.)
I'm finding it hard to tell if Anal Sex in Accordance with Christ's Will is snark or sincere. If it's snark, it's fucking brilliant. In fact, it's entirely possible that a piece of snark could be encouraging "abstinence only" freaks to be having oral and anal sex, which would be . . . well, that wins right there. My snark doesn't encourage Teh Butt Seks.
On the other hand, if this is sincere, then people are having anal sex under the belief that as long as a penis doesn't get inside a vagina, there's no sex. For the record: anal sex is not chastity. It's freakin' sex. And, how does one encourage anal sex as not sex between a man and a woman, but the greatest of all evuls if it's between a man and a man? (I apologize, clearly the religious right would be capable of that sort of doublethink. They do it every day.)
Wednesday, January 28, 2009
Lady Liberty is Made of Win
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Lady Liberty winz the interwebs!
Lady Liberty winz the interwebs!
I Just Can't Believe This Works
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So, Ray Comfort changed his sidebar. (BTW, Ray posted about me today. He could have spelled out my name.) I think he's getting stupider.
Cold Comfort For Budding Atheists
• An atheist is someone who believes that nothing made everything. no, we don't. you can say that all you want, Ray, but we do understand thermodynamics, for one thing. i don't know why you insist on this. He will deny that through gritted teeth, because it is an intellectual embarrassment. no, my teeth aren't gritted. it just isn't true. But if he says of his Toyota that he has no belief that there was a maker, then he thinks that nothing made it (it just happened), which is a scientific impossibility. false dichotomy, ray. you think the universe was created by god. i don't. that doesn't mean i think nothing made the universe, just not god. So, to remain credible, he falls back on something made everything, but he just doesn’t know what that something was. i don't claim to know everything, ray, that's your line. So he’s not an atheist--he believes in an initial cause. atheism is a lack of belief in god, not a lack of belief in initial causes. stop redefining words to suit your arguments. we can all play that game. i will now prove you are a muslim by redefining muslim as "follower of christ". see how ridiculous that is?
• An atheist is someone who pretends that there is no God. no, i just don't believe in god. stop calling me a liar. i really don't believe in god.
• The freedom to be an atheist is the God-given right of every American. stop that. the freedom to be an atheist is a right permitted under the First Amendment, not god. god demands that I believe in him, and according to you will condemn me to an eternity of suffering if i don't. isn't he nice?
• Atheism is the epitome of the sin of ingratitude. when did "ingratitude" become a sin? it's not one of the ten commandments. it's not one of the seven deadly sins. it's nowhere in Leviticus. are you just making up sins now, ray?
• An atheist plays Russian roulette with fully loaded gun. only on tuesdays, ray.
• Atheism is intellectual suicide. ummmm . . . what? what does that even mean. at least i'm not making up sins.
• Evolutionists have done to science, what hypocrites have done to Christianity. they've studied paleontological records to test hypothesis and written peer-reviewed papers discussing their findings?
• The human propensity to gullibility is evidenced by evolution’s many believers. now replace "evolution" with "religion" and see how much fun pointy-on-both-ends logic really is.
• An atheist has no scientific creditably, because his "nothing created everything" violates the basic laws of science. actually, creationism violates so many laws of science i'm surprised heads don't explode on a regular basis at research centers and universities.
• An atheist is like a fish in the ocean saying that there’s no evidence that there’s an ocean. what? the fish can see the ocean, smell the ocean (do fish smell? i have no idea), feel the ocean, taste the ocean and hear the ocean. i can do none of these things with god. if i could, I would believe.
• It is impossible for a Christian to convert to atheism because a Christian is someone who knows God. no true scotsman.
• The atheist says that he doesn’t believe God exists, but he uses His name as a cuss word. Go figure. ummmm . . . what? cuss words are cultural, they don't reflect belief or nonbelief. do abstinence only proponents not use the word "fuck" on occasion?
• That nagging doubt: "Why there almost certainly is no God." Richard Dawkins see, this is where Ray can't get out of his own head. Ray HAS TO have the answers for everything. Atheists don't. we understand there are things we don't know and can't explain and we're fine with that. 200 years ago, nobody knew about bacteria. we know now.
• School children should have evolution explained to them, so that they can see how unscientific and crazy it is. should we also explain every other thing you find crazy, ray? maybe attempt to convert them to Islam just so we can show them how crazy muslism are? that doesn't make sense. See PullThePlugOnAtheism.com oh my, ray has another website. the internet is just full of wonder, isn't it?
So, Ray Comfort changed his sidebar. (BTW, Ray posted about me today. He could have spelled out my name.) I think he's getting stupider.
Cold Comfort For Budding Atheists
• An atheist is someone who believes that nothing made everything. no, we don't. you can say that all you want, Ray, but we do understand thermodynamics, for one thing. i don't know why you insist on this. He will deny that through gritted teeth, because it is an intellectual embarrassment. no, my teeth aren't gritted. it just isn't true. But if he says of his Toyota that he has no belief that there was a maker, then he thinks that nothing made it (it just happened), which is a scientific impossibility. false dichotomy, ray. you think the universe was created by god. i don't. that doesn't mean i think nothing made the universe, just not god. So, to remain credible, he falls back on something made everything, but he just doesn’t know what that something was. i don't claim to know everything, ray, that's your line. So he’s not an atheist--he believes in an initial cause. atheism is a lack of belief in god, not a lack of belief in initial causes. stop redefining words to suit your arguments. we can all play that game. i will now prove you are a muslim by redefining muslim as "follower of christ". see how ridiculous that is?
• An atheist is someone who pretends that there is no God. no, i just don't believe in god. stop calling me a liar. i really don't believe in god.
• The freedom to be an atheist is the God-given right of every American. stop that. the freedom to be an atheist is a right permitted under the First Amendment, not god. god demands that I believe in him, and according to you will condemn me to an eternity of suffering if i don't. isn't he nice?
• Atheism is the epitome of the sin of ingratitude. when did "ingratitude" become a sin? it's not one of the ten commandments. it's not one of the seven deadly sins. it's nowhere in Leviticus. are you just making up sins now, ray?
• An atheist plays Russian roulette with fully loaded gun. only on tuesdays, ray.
• Atheism is intellectual suicide. ummmm . . . what? what does that even mean. at least i'm not making up sins.
• Evolutionists have done to science, what hypocrites have done to Christianity. they've studied paleontological records to test hypothesis and written peer-reviewed papers discussing their findings?
• The human propensity to gullibility is evidenced by evolution’s many believers. now replace "evolution" with "religion" and see how much fun pointy-on-both-ends logic really is.
• An atheist has no scientific creditably, because his "nothing created everything" violates the basic laws of science. actually, creationism violates so many laws of science i'm surprised heads don't explode on a regular basis at research centers and universities.
• An atheist is like a fish in the ocean saying that there’s no evidence that there’s an ocean. what? the fish can see the ocean, smell the ocean (do fish smell? i have no idea), feel the ocean, taste the ocean and hear the ocean. i can do none of these things with god. if i could, I would believe.
• It is impossible for a Christian to convert to atheism because a Christian is someone who knows God. no true scotsman.
• The atheist says that he doesn’t believe God exists, but he uses His name as a cuss word. Go figure. ummmm . . . what? cuss words are cultural, they don't reflect belief or nonbelief. do abstinence only proponents not use the word "fuck" on occasion?
• That nagging doubt: "Why there almost certainly is no God." Richard Dawkins see, this is where Ray can't get out of his own head. Ray HAS TO have the answers for everything. Atheists don't. we understand there are things we don't know and can't explain and we're fine with that. 200 years ago, nobody knew about bacteria. we know now.
• School children should have evolution explained to them, so that they can see how unscientific and crazy it is. should we also explain every other thing you find crazy, ray? maybe attempt to convert them to Islam just so we can show them how crazy muslism are? that doesn't make sense. See PullThePlugOnAtheism.com oh my, ray has another website. the internet is just full of wonder, isn't it?
Wednesday, January 21, 2009
You Might Be an Atheophobe If . . .
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You feel the constant need to denigrate atheists in order to convert them to Christianity. (Not that you'll pay any attention, but insulting people doesn't really make them want to be just like you.)
From "You Might Be a Fundamentalist Atheist If . . ."
You believe the astronomical size of the universe somehow disproves God, as if God needed a tiny universe in order to exist. No, however, the size of the universe does disprove the belief that the universe is only 6,000 years old. I'll try to use small words here. The speed of light is approximately 186,000 miles per second. It takes light approximately 8.3 minutes to get from the sun to the earth. Therefore, when we see a star in the sky, we are actually seeing it the way it was in the past. The further away the star, the further into the past we are looking. (For my more knowledgable readers, feel free to correct me. I make no claims to be an expert in this field.)
From faqs.org:
The most distant object known has a redshift of just over 5. That means that the light from this object started its journey toward us when the Universe was only 30% of its current age. The exact age ofthe Universe is not known, but is probably roughly 12 billion years. Thus, the light from this object left it when the Universe was a few billion years old. Its distance is roughly 25 billion light years.
Cool, huh?
You declare on a public forum that you are "furious at God for not existing." What atheist has ever said this? How could I possibly be angry at a nonexistent entity for not existing? I may as well rage against unicorns and the easter bunny.
You consistently deny the existence of God because you personally have never seen him but you reject out of hand personal testimony from theists who claim to have experienced God as a reality in their lives. And if those theists could give me some proof other than "I just felt him in my heart", I would accept their "personal testimony." Otherwise, that testimony is about as much reason to believe in god as it is to change my favorite beverage or tv show.
You call a view held by less than ten percent of the American public "common sense". Oh, no! More people like Pespsi than Coke! I should change my preference right now! Besides, most people will acknowledge that common sense is hardly common AND I don't call it common sense, I call it rational and logical.
You believe that if something cannot be touched, seen, heard, or measured in some way, then it must not exist, yet you fail to see the irony of your calling Christians "narrow-minded". I do not say that something that cannot be touched, seen, heard or measured does not exist, merely that, as we cannot measure it, we cannot prove it to exist. I can believe in the mighty power of Thor, that doesn't believe he exists, either.
You blame God for the starvation, sickness, pain and suffering in the world...when, indeed, it is MAN's greed, politics, selfishness and apathy that not only causes, but also ignores the sick and the starving masses. We aren't our brothers' keepers....but we should be. Atheists don't blame god for anything- you can't blame what doesn't exist. However, we do find it funny that when something good happens, that's god, but when something bad happens, that's free will. I do agree that we should do more for our fellow humans. That's absolutely true.
You claim that evolution and the big bang are two entirely separate theories that explain different aspects of the universe, yet, in what school of learning can you find any real separation or distinction between the two? just because you don't understand either theory, don't project your ignorance on the rest of us. They are entirely different theories that explain entirely different aspect of the universe. In fact, the two theories are only related in that, in order for evolution to take place, the universe must have started somewhere. Or, the Earth is in the Universe. For more information: Theory of Evolution and The Big Bang.
You descended from apes.(Think about it.) Nobody but the creationist crowd says this. The Theory of Evolution states that apes and humans are related (just look at apes), not that man descended from apes.
You ignore "Time Magazine's" poll, which states that only 28% of Americans believe in evolution. But of course, "Time Magazine" must been run by creationists. Again, I don't care how many people believe something, that doesn't make it true. Slavery was entirely acceptable 200 years ago. Does that make slavery good? And, I don't know when that poll was taken (remarkable lack of links), but a recent poll shows that 49% of USians believe in evolution.
Any scholar who believes in a historical Jesus must be a theist. If they are an atheist, then they must secretly want to be a theist. I don't know any atheists who don't believe that the Jesus in the bible was based on an actual, living person. It's quite a leap from that to messiah, however.
You think Bolshevik Revolution leader Leon Trotsky was a far better person than Mother Theresa. Again, what atheist says this?
When a Christian tells you that in order to fully understand The Word of God you need to open up your heart and allow The Bible to speak to you and to read The Bible by placing confidence in God, you say that the Bible is just a book and that why you don't have to do the same with Harry Potter. Read the bible and you'll believe. Okay, I read the bible, and I don't believe. Well, you need to believe in the bible to read it right. Round and round we go!
You always refer to C.S. Lewis as "that traitor." Yes, and I frequently froth at the mouth about Benedict Arnold, as well.
You complain about desecrating the Koran while holding a burning Bible. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
You believe that any Christian who claims to have once been an atheist is either lying or was never a "true atheist." No, however I do find the near universal claim of "I used to be an atheist like you" very suspicious seeing as how atheists don't number more than approximately 10% of the US population.
You get angry when Christians tell you you're going to a place that you don't think exists. It's rude. Very rude. You enjoy it entirely too much, and, if I started randomly announcing to people that when they die, absolutely nothing is going to happen, I don't think people would see that as a sign of concern on my part.
You're stupid enough to think atheists are treated like second-class citizens. Yet of course, you spend most of your day belittling Christians and other religious people. There is a difference between being belittled and having the POTUS (Bush W.) say that he doesn't belive atheists are citizens. Yeah. Exact quote from W.: “No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered as patriots. This is one nation under God.” So, why was I paying taxes for the last 8 years?
Yes, I know atheist bashing is such fun, but really, try to actually talk about real atheists, all right.
You feel the constant need to denigrate atheists in order to convert them to Christianity. (Not that you'll pay any attention, but insulting people doesn't really make them want to be just like you.)
From "You Might Be a Fundamentalist Atheist If . . ."
You believe the astronomical size of the universe somehow disproves God, as if God needed a tiny universe in order to exist. No, however, the size of the universe does disprove the belief that the universe is only 6,000 years old. I'll try to use small words here. The speed of light is approximately 186,000 miles per second. It takes light approximately 8.3 minutes to get from the sun to the earth. Therefore, when we see a star in the sky, we are actually seeing it the way it was in the past. The further away the star, the further into the past we are looking. (For my more knowledgable readers, feel free to correct me. I make no claims to be an expert in this field.)
From faqs.org:
The most distant object known has a redshift of just over 5. That means that the light from this object started its journey toward us when the Universe was only 30% of its current age. The exact age ofthe Universe is not known, but is probably roughly 12 billion years. Thus, the light from this object left it when the Universe was a few billion years old. Its distance is roughly 25 billion light years.
Cool, huh?
You declare on a public forum that you are "furious at God for not existing." What atheist has ever said this? How could I possibly be angry at a nonexistent entity for not existing? I may as well rage against unicorns and the easter bunny.
You consistently deny the existence of God because you personally have never seen him but you reject out of hand personal testimony from theists who claim to have experienced God as a reality in their lives. And if those theists could give me some proof other than "I just felt him in my heart", I would accept their "personal testimony." Otherwise, that testimony is about as much reason to believe in god as it is to change my favorite beverage or tv show.
You call a view held by less than ten percent of the American public "common sense". Oh, no! More people like Pespsi than Coke! I should change my preference right now! Besides, most people will acknowledge that common sense is hardly common AND I don't call it common sense, I call it rational and logical.
You believe that if something cannot be touched, seen, heard, or measured in some way, then it must not exist, yet you fail to see the irony of your calling Christians "narrow-minded". I do not say that something that cannot be touched, seen, heard or measured does not exist, merely that, as we cannot measure it, we cannot prove it to exist. I can believe in the mighty power of Thor, that doesn't believe he exists, either.
You blame God for the starvation, sickness, pain and suffering in the world...when, indeed, it is MAN's greed, politics, selfishness and apathy that not only causes, but also ignores the sick and the starving masses. We aren't our brothers' keepers....but we should be. Atheists don't blame god for anything- you can't blame what doesn't exist. However, we do find it funny that when something good happens, that's god, but when something bad happens, that's free will. I do agree that we should do more for our fellow humans. That's absolutely true.
You claim that evolution and the big bang are two entirely separate theories that explain different aspects of the universe, yet, in what school of learning can you find any real separation or distinction between the two? just because you don't understand either theory, don't project your ignorance on the rest of us. They are entirely different theories that explain entirely different aspect of the universe. In fact, the two theories are only related in that, in order for evolution to take place, the universe must have started somewhere. Or, the Earth is in the Universe. For more information: Theory of Evolution and The Big Bang.
You descended from apes.(Think about it.) Nobody but the creationist crowd says this. The Theory of Evolution states that apes and humans are related (just look at apes), not that man descended from apes.
You ignore "Time Magazine's" poll, which states that only 28% of Americans believe in evolution. But of course, "Time Magazine" must been run by creationists. Again, I don't care how many people believe something, that doesn't make it true. Slavery was entirely acceptable 200 years ago. Does that make slavery good? And, I don't know when that poll was taken (remarkable lack of links), but a recent poll shows that 49% of USians believe in evolution.
Any scholar who believes in a historical Jesus must be a theist. If they are an atheist, then they must secretly want to be a theist. I don't know any atheists who don't believe that the Jesus in the bible was based on an actual, living person. It's quite a leap from that to messiah, however.
You think Bolshevik Revolution leader Leon Trotsky was a far better person than Mother Theresa. Again, what atheist says this?
When a Christian tells you that in order to fully understand The Word of God you need to open up your heart and allow The Bible to speak to you and to read The Bible by placing confidence in God, you say that the Bible is just a book and that why you don't have to do the same with Harry Potter. Read the bible and you'll believe. Okay, I read the bible, and I don't believe. Well, you need to believe in the bible to read it right. Round and round we go!
You always refer to C.S. Lewis as "that traitor." Yes, and I frequently froth at the mouth about Benedict Arnold, as well.
You complain about desecrating the Koran while holding a burning Bible. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
You believe that any Christian who claims to have once been an atheist is either lying or was never a "true atheist." No, however I do find the near universal claim of "I used to be an atheist like you" very suspicious seeing as how atheists don't number more than approximately 10% of the US population.
You get angry when Christians tell you you're going to a place that you don't think exists. It's rude. Very rude. You enjoy it entirely too much, and, if I started randomly announcing to people that when they die, absolutely nothing is going to happen, I don't think people would see that as a sign of concern on my part.
You're stupid enough to think atheists are treated like second-class citizens. Yet of course, you spend most of your day belittling Christians and other religious people. There is a difference between being belittled and having the POTUS (Bush W.) say that he doesn't belive atheists are citizens. Yeah. Exact quote from W.: “No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered as patriots. This is one nation under God.” So, why was I paying taxes for the last 8 years?
Yes, I know atheist bashing is such fun, but really, try to actually talk about real atheists, all right.
Tuesday, January 20, 2009
Good Person Test
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I'm a lying, murdering, adulterous blasphemer! The Good Person Test told me so. (For the record, no I have never murdered anyone, but Jesus said in Matthew 5 that whoever is angry with his brother without cause is guilty of murder. The Good Person Test didn't bother to ask if I had cause or not. Also, I have never cheated on my hubby, not even kissing, but apparently, any random lustful thought makes me an adulteress. The more you know, I guess.)
I'm not a thief, though.
I'm a lying, murdering, adulterous blasphemer! The Good Person Test told me so. (For the record, no I have never murdered anyone, but Jesus said in Matthew 5 that whoever is angry with his brother without cause is guilty of murder. The Good Person Test didn't bother to ask if I had cause or not. Also, I have never cheated on my hubby, not even kissing, but apparently, any random lustful thought makes me an adulteress. The more you know, I guess.)
I'm not a thief, though.
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