Monday, March 2, 2009

Ray Comfort Lies, Therefore God Exists

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I'm beginning to wonder if Ray Comfort is suffering from some sort of progressive degenerative condition. His arguments started out illogical and ignorant and are now entirely idiotic. If I were close to Ray *steps away to puke*, I would take him to a doctor.

Today, we get this argument: "I lie, therefore god exists."

"Ray is flat-out lying to you.”
“I'm sick of your constant lying, Ray.”
“You're a dishonest, lying for Jesus, punk.”
“Lying for Jesus again?”
“That makes you a liar Ray.”
"You liar, Ray!”
“So I repeat. Ray is lying. Lying is wrong.”
“You are an ignorant, lying idiot.”

Could an atheist explain to me why it’s wrong to lie, and from where do you get this moral code by which you judge right from wrong? It's wrong to lie for a number of reasons, Ray. For one thing, society doesn't work very well if you can't trust anything anyone says. Humans don't do too well without society, therefore, keeping society together is in everyone's best interest.

Telling the truth is easier than lying. Lying requires remembering your lies, and most often begets other lies. Generally, lying puts a wedge between you and whomever you lied to. (Unless they asked you about their hair, their butt or their shoes. Don't ever tell the truth in that situation unless the truth is nice. The operative word in "brutally honest" is "brutally".)

Lying is not respectful. People should be treated with respect.

I don't want to be lied to, therefore I do not lie to others.

Oh, look, not a god in sight.

If you believe that it's shaped by society, if society says that lying is okay (91% of Americans lie regularly), is it then right? Of course not. I don't shape my beliefs by what society says is okay. If slavery came into vogue again, I wouldn't go buy someone. A link to where you got that percentage from would have been nice.

The point is, you have a God-given conscience that intuitively tells you that lying is morally wrong. no proof. just a bald assertion. Ray's getting lazy. See Romans 2:15 to see what that conscience affirms...

Romans 2:15 NKJV:  who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them)

First of all, the bible is no more important to me than Harry Potter, so fail on that. Secondly, that verse is clear as mud. Let's see if including more of Romans 2 might help.

Romans 2:12 - 16 NIV is far more enlightening.

12All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law.

13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. There you go, Ray. Liar for Christ is not going to work out for you.

14(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law,

15since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.)

16This will take place on the day when God will judge men's secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

Yet another conversion fail courtesy of Ray Comfort.


  1. waitwaitwait -

    did Ray just take all those accusations of lying, and then tell us that IT'S OK THAT HE LIED because WE DON'T BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE!?

  2. Basically. I never quite get Ray. Usually I'm pretty good at psychology, but he's . . . lying about something, I'm just not sure what.

    By the way, check out the slacktivist's post on H-E-double hockey sticks. It is amazing, and relevant to this discussion.

  3. you know, i don't think i have ever even been to slacktivist's website. i really should go over, been meaning to. and i always enjoy a good discussion of hell lol

    thanx :)


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