Monday, December 8, 2008

The God Train, Part Deux

In case you missed Part Uno, scroll down.

This is taken from Crossing Paths with God by Dan Ecklund from RaptureReady.

Runaway believers openly rejecting gospel fundamentals BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA for some reason, that had a villian laugh, too.

If God is absolute, then so are His Laws. Yeah, but first you have to prove to me that god is absolute, which you didn't do, Mr. Ecklund. So, have you stopped beating your wife yet? This is the fallacy of the leading question. The laws of physics have yet to change in the car vs. train contest, yet some believe God’s Laws will make an exception for them. The Faulty Analogy -- Assuming that because two things are alike in one or more respects, they are necessarily alike in some other respect. What do the laws of physics have to do with god's laws? You can't break the laws of physics, it's simply not possible. If "Thou shalt not kill" is an example of god's laws, then anyone can, and many people do, break god's laws. This is an unfortunate analogy. According to this analogy, I should be worshipping the Large Hadron Collider.

During this last election, we had “confessing Christians” vote pro-choice really? or did they vote for the best candidate, Barack Obama. A vote for Obama was not a vote for abortion, it was a vote for Obama and all of his policies. You can try to frame the issue any way you want, but you have to ignore a whole lot of reality to do it., as well as endorse gay marriage. Poor Mr. Ecklund. You people won on Prop 8 and you're still pissed that some people voted against it. Apparently, it's not enough to win. Some chose to believe the lack of absolutes, or wanted to justify their selections for what they thought was best for the country. In what other way am I supposed to choose candidates? With a freakin' dartboard? What is right biblically, compared to the way many professing believers do, say, and believe are right seem to be in clear contrast. I love infighting among the fundagelicals.

“There is a way that seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death.” Proverbs 14:12 Random bible quote! How 'bout a random Gears of War 2 quote? "I'm coughing up blood that ain't even mine!"

One must conclude again, that if the moral Law of the Living God did not change, then either we chose to ignore it, or we have different gods. Monolatrism rears its head yet again. Plus, assuming facts not in evidence. Scripture paints a very grim event in what are probably the most horrific scriptures to appear within the bible. Yeah, Mr. Ecklund apparently never read the ENTIRE OLD TESTAMENT. You know, the part where god killed everyone, in the most horrific of ways, including ordering the Israelites to pull fetuses from pregnant women.

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock” (Matthew 7:21-24).

Everyone seems to believe this would never happen to them, despite their choices they make in this life. blahblahblah I'll be raptured(naked!) and you won't blahblahblah Not one of the people appearing in this scripture thought he practiced lawlessness. Just as in most of professing believers today, they deny absolute right and wrong, so they themselves could never have been “lawless.” Or they disagree with your interpretation of the scripture. Either or. Many of today’s professing will be in this group in “that day” as scripture speaks of. Not one professing believer thinks it possible that it could be him. Neener, neener, neener, I'll be in heaven naked without you!

Collision course with stone Mr. Ecklund has quite the thing for collisions, doesn't he? First it was trains, now we're on to stone.

Consequences for actions are something people always try to escape from. You mean like the religious right, with all their whining about how people are being mean to them because they were mean to gays? Like that? Religion is often used as the escape for the conscience. See: the Crusades Once someone designs a god in their mind to serve that will never hold them accountable, they are free to enjoy their desires of all the sin they want. You mean like spreading homophobia and racism? Like that? The conscience can be managed as one can rationalize that even if they “feel bad” for certain actions calling Obama a MUSLIM!TERRORIST!HE'sBLACK! THE ANTICHRIST! That?, their god would not punish them, nor cares what they do. It is the same as ignoring the blinking lights at the train crossing. If god gave me warnings as obvious and unavoidable as blinking lights at a train crossing, I'd believe in him. and weren't we just colliding with stone? when did we get back to trains?

God’s Law was written in stone for a reason. Moses didn't have any papyrus handy? It isn’t going to move for mans desires. Get this man an apostrophe, stat! The fact that man can’t keep these Laws, should serve as a warning to him that he’s standing on the track. "can't" mean "incapable of". I should think that Mr. Ecklund means "won't" or "doesn't". You can't blame a person for what they are not capable of. My dog lacks opposable thumbs, therefore he can't open the door to the back yard. So, if he pees on the floor right in front of the door, how upset can I be at him?

Laws without justice are useless suggestions. I think Mr. Ecklund is confusing "justice" with "retribution". Justice is the quality of being just; righteousness, equitableness, or moral rightness. Retribution is requital according to merits or deserts, esp. for evil. These are entirely different things. An eye for an eye might make you feel better, but it's not justice.

Many professing believers the same or different from "confessing christians"? equate God’s commandants to be the “drive friendly” signs on the interstate of life. Seriously? Since when? What about the ones about no other gods before me and no false idols. How does one interpret a prohibition of idol worship as a drive friendly sign? At least we're back to modes of transportation as a metaphor. Stone as a metaphor didn't go so well. When God set the absolutes in place, the penalty of violation was also set. Hell! An eternity burning in hell! A baby raper gets the same punishment as a liar! It's fair, so very fair! If God is good, and just, and holy, big if He can not let anyone escape accountability. Adulterers are as bad as mass murderers! If a judge let a murder go because he was sorry for his actions, he would be a bad judge, and no justice would be served, nor would the killer have paid for his crime. Inarguably so. Yet professing Christians today believe their actions will not be brought into account, despite the fact they openly deny God’s absolutes. Again, stealing and murdering and lying are all treated the same-- eternity of torment in hell. Rape? Not a problem.

It’s the same as standing on train tracts hee hee tracks with full denial of the laws of physics. Either you or the laws will be proven to be in error. I'm betting it's you, but feel free to try that one out, Mr. Ecklund. Here's the problem with this analogy: I can watch someone else lose the man v. train physics challenge, thus proving to me that physics is absolute. I can't watch someone lose the man v. god absolutes challenge. It happens after death. Nobody's proven it yet.

Standing on the track the train metaphors continue . . .

Many confessing Christians today are ashamed of Jesus. It sounds odd, but it is truth. No it's not. What Mr. Ecklund is referring to is christians who do not shove jesus down a random stranger's throat at every opportunity. He calls this sort of behavior "evangelizing", I call it "harrassment". Mr. Ecklund thinks that the only possible reason you wouldn't be beating everyone you meet over the head with your bible is that you are "ashamed of Jesus." "Polite" or "respectful" or even "shy" has not occurred to him.

“For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words in this adulterous and sinful generation, this bible quote proves to me that even 2,000, the present was more sinful than the past. of him the Son of Man also will be ashamed when He comes in the glory of His Father with the holy angels.” Mark 8:38

It’s not the image of Jesus we are ashamed of. Many people have a cross on their neck and a fish sticker on their car. Most people Mr. Ecklund knows, maybe. I don't know anyone with a fish on their car. Even the secular world doesn’t have an issue with the image of Jesus, as they regard Him as a “good and moral historical figure.” Blessed are the peacemakers But listen to Mark 8:38 again when Jesus said “And My Words.” It’s His words we have a problem with and often refuse to accept. There is a difference between rejecting someone's words and being ashamed of them. If your mother tells you to wear a hat, it's cold out, you may not put on a hat, but are you ashamed of her? How many Christians deny openly many of the very words of Jesus that you know? How often do you hear of Christians supporting homosexual lifestyle I've said it before, I'll say it again. the only possible condemnation of homosexuality is in Leviticus (you know, BEFORE jesus?) and eating shrimp is as strongly condemned shortly thereafter., abortion, or even various other ways to heaven? They directly contrast the famous “John 3:16” they can quote from memory. Many who openly claim Christianity, also openly deny the very words of Christ. Or how Mr. Ecklunds interprets those words, which is not the same thing.

Paul also warned believers of how they lived their life. He didn’t given inch on moral accountability among those who follow Christ. He warned them repeatedly not to behave in a manner that was ungodly.
“You, therefore, who teach another, do you not teach yourself? You who preach that a man should not steal, do you steal? You who say, “Do not commit adultery,” do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? You who make your boast in the law, do you dishonor God through breaking the law? For “the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you,” as it is written” (Romans 2:21-24).

How many hypocrites do you know?

Mr. Ecklund, for one. Judge not, Mr. Ecklund, Judge not.

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