Thursday, April 9, 2009

Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them

box turtle bulletin, lisa, nom, liar, traditional, marriage, gay, homosexual, homophobia, asshat
Have you seen the National Organization for Marriage's new advertising campaign? If you have, or even if you haven't you need to read this.

There's lies, and then there's the truth. NOM's ads don't fall in the latter category.

When I pointed that out to a "traditional marriage" supporter who was running the ad on her blog, this is the reply that I got:

PF,
Wow you really are not educated are you? Let me suggest that you crawl out of your little tin can there and think outside the box.

“Three claims, three lies”?

These are things that can and will happen if the gays get their way. And that is exactly what you (gays) want. To destroy christians in all area’s of life. It’s not enough for you to have your “relatioships” with same sex people, you have to call it Marriage (which is between a man and a woman only BTW). Not only that but you want to control what doctors do and force them to preform abortions even if it is against their religious convictions. Ministers/pastors will be forced to preform same sex marriages or be accused of hate crimes and discrimination.

You wasted alot of time picking through that video….FYI lots of advertisements are done through actors and actresses. That doesnt make the advertisement false.
so next time why dont you come up with something better than your little il mannered rant.


First of all, I'm not the Box Turtle Bulletin. Secondly, I couldn't even tell you what the "tin can" reference is, nor is BTB's dissection of the lies in NOM's advertising the least bit ill-mannered. Nor does Lisa provide the slightest shred of evidence for her claims, though I do believe calling the BTB "ill mannered" is certainly a case of pots, kettles, stones and glass houses. And probably a few other cliches I'm forgetting.

Feel free, but try to avoid being "ill mannered". (The actual definition of that word, not the "calling someone on their lies" usage Lisa is advocating.)

20 comments:

  1. yeah. I totally replied to her bullshit.

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  2. Oh, thank you. Apparently, now I'm a terrorist. (Really need to work on that beard. Oh, and which way is east?)

    Please screenshot that, she'll probably delete it.

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  3. Bear with me, I want to try something here...

    Wow you really are not educated are you? Ad hominem attack Let me suggest that you crawl out of your little tin can there and think outside the box. Think outside the can, I think she means.

    “Three claims, three lies”? Is she having trouble counting to three, or something? Why the question mark?

    These are things that can and will happen if the gays get their way. You mean these things that didn't actually happen?

    And that is exactly what you (gays) want. We want these things that didn't happen, to happen? To destroy christians in all area’s of life. No, we want people who don't know how to use apostrophes to stop pretending they're smarter than they are. It’s not enough for you to have your “relatioships” with same sex people, you have to call it Marriage (which is between a man and a woman only BTW). I think Lisa is confused. PF's marriage is actually to a man, and her "relationships" (why the sarcastiquotes?) with same sex people are called friendships. Not only that but you want to control what doctors do and force them to preform abortions even if it is against their religious convictions. What do abortions have to do with gay marriage? And isn't Lisa one of the people who is constantly reminding us that "gays can't have children" anyway? Ministers/pastors will be forced to preform same sex marriages or be accused of hate crimes and discrimination. I think we've covered this before.
    You wasted alot of time picking through that video…. We think revealing lying liars is a good use of our time. FYI lots of advertisements are done through actors and actresses. I don't know what sort of technology makes advertising THROUGH people possible, and I don't want to. And if she meant "by" instead of "through" well, now it makes sense, but it's not news. That doesnt make the advertisement false. And we never said it did. What makes the ad false is...that it consists of things that are...NOT. TRUE. you see. so next time why dont you come up with something better than your little il mannered rant. What did the apostrophes ever do to you, Lisa? TELL US. Also, if you found this to be "ill-mannered" I wonder what category "telling lies to scare people into acting the way I want them to" falls into.

    I hope that was as fun for you as it was for me.

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  4. Did... did she call you gay? Wow, awesome!
    Beetle is such a nasty little person. No use even talking to her, she's so wrapped up in hate she can't see anything but (which would be why she projects it everywhere).

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  5. Waltzy gets the MST 3000 Award of the Day!

    Leigh & Waltz: you know, I didn't even pick up that she called me gay. I can't imagine that being insulting, for one thing, and for another, well, who cares? I'm not, but why would that be relevant? I'm also not black, but I don't let people get away with the "n" word.

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  6. Happy kissing gurlz, no doubt! Ooh, feel the burn!

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  7. I couldn't resist, cross-posted to dear old Beetle's blog...
    Hello Lisa and Beetle, I wanted to say two things. The first is that you are aware that you are speaking to straight people, correct? Straight people who support gay marriage? And one of whom is married in what you cutely refer to as a "traditional" marriage. I'm not sure why you keep calling everyone gay, is there a point to it? Or are you assuming that everyone who dislikes the above commercial is gay?
    The second is, no one is taking away anything from you. You can continue to have services in your church, which doesn't have to perform same sex marriage if it doesn't want to. I have yet to hear from any homosexual that they want to force churches to do anything of the sort. No one wants to take away what you feel, no one wants to take away any rights. You tread in scary territory when you start bringing up doctors being able to refuse things due to their faith and how that can take away rights of others, so let's not go there. Let's just all freaking calm down, because no one wants to take anything from anyone, no matter what that commericial says, which is what everyone is getting all upset about. Everyone is yelling so loud no one hears what the people are saying.

    Gosh I hope they call me gay too. That is so cool.

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  8. We're all gay, all the time here in hell! If you agree with me you're gay, and if you're not gay, you're gay anyway!

    Honestly, it's ridiculous. I can't even get offended about it, because it's like calling me a "cat person". I own a dog, but okay. (Actually, I love cats, but my dog would eat a cat, so no cats.)

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  9. Sweet! Apparently I'm gay too. Sorry PF you aren't Hot anymore. Apparently I need cock for that.

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  10. NOM?

    Why not call it NOM NOM or OM NOM NOM?

    It would just further accentuate the heights of ridiculousness.

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  11. Damn, she BTWed and FYIed your ass to Mexico. Your gay ass, I should say.

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  12. my gay spiderhating ass, btw, fyi.

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  13. Wow, I just got back to this conversation, and they really went batshit crazy while I was away didn't they? They are honestly saying that gay people have told them they want churchs to marry them by force? Do these people have no concept of the real world? My god.

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  14. really? i bet they talk to gay people all the time. if by "talk" you mean "lie about". and by "gay people" you mean "people i think are gay because only gay people could possibly want equal rights for everyone".

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  15. This is about as brainless a comment as you could possibly get on this subject, but here we go:

    I'm sorry, I just can't take this organization seriously. All I think of when I see its name is lolcats. "om nom nom nom," and all that.

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  16. i just learned what "nom" is, and now find the organization hilarious!

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  17. This is my impression of what NOM wants to do in California*:

    http://icanhascheezburger.com/2007/05/02/nom-nom-nom-2/

    *substitute thousands of marriages for birfday cake.

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  18. c.n.: Same here! I think of my kitten nomming things! Cute sweet little kittens nomming. Hee!

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  19. i guess i am a little late, but i just posted the following over there:
    let's consider "tradition" marriage.
    old testament. incest - lets see, Eve was MADE from Adam. one can assume that they had identical DNA except for the XX. but even if not - who did THEIR children marry?
    you either postulate a) each other or b) aliens of some sort
    then, after the Flood - who did Noah's GRANDCHILDREN marry? again - either each other, or aliens.
    how many wives did David have? Saul? Solomon?
    when one speaks of Paul (ya know, the who wrote, say, Corinthians I and II) he pretty much said marriage was only for those too weak to avoid the temptation of sex.
    then we have marriage as it was practiced here, in the US. you know, where women literally could not own her own property (it was all her husband's). could not get a job without permission (from her husband), and even if she were allowed to work, all of her wages were paid TO HER HUSBAND.
    THAT is "traditional" marriage.
    that's what you want?
    no divorce, no matter what your husband does to you? in most states, a husband was literally allowed to do anything to his wife short of killing her - and even then, all he had to do was claim she was having an affair, or she *might* have been having an affair, and no one did anything about.
    that's what you want?
    a man could be married, have a mistress, visit prostitutes, and the wife had no recourse. she couldn't use birth control at ALL (comstock laws were only part of this) and could be jailed if she had a pamphlet about birth control because it was "pornography", while her husband - the man with the mistress and the prostitutes - kept a copy of the Kuma Satra in his study, legally.
    that's what you want?

    "traditional" marriage, as citied by "traditional marriage proponents" only existed for a short period, aprox. 1950-1965.
    in the meantime, other "traditional" marriage include such things as polygamy, polyandry, forced childhood marriage, gay marriage, group marriage, celebate marriage... all on this continent in the last 500 years. most Native American cultures not only *allowed* marriage between two gay people, but *encouraged* it, because this insured that there was always a couple that would have the resources to take in orphaned children.

    "traditional" marriage? really? (end)

    i've been really sick, and have been having a lot of pain issues. sorry that i've been slacking. please hug Bacon for me

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