Cause God Said So, That's Why!

prop 8, homophobia, homosexual, gay, marriage, tradition, traditional, stupid, asshat
This is so utterly illogical, it might be satire. I can't quite tell.

It All Boils Down To This
by leftcoastvoter

On March 5th, the California Supreme Court will hear arguments on Proposition 8. Only four months after seven million Californians voted to amend the California Constitution to read “Marriage is between a Man and a Woman”, 7 justices will decide if this will be our law. Once more- with feeling- the majority cannot trample the minority. That is NOT what democracy means.

Ken Starr (of Bill Clinton’s impeachment trial) leads the Prop 8 side reason enough to vote no on 8. and is expected to show all of the legal reasons why this was approved by California’s Attorney General, Jerry Brown, and placed on last November’s ballot. will he include bigotry, homophobia and illogical hatred? oh, right, honesty has no place in politics.

Shannon Minter*, a transsexual attorney for the National Center for Lesbian Rights will argue that “its not fair.” That's not Minter's argument. Here is Minter's argument:

The freedom to choose whether and whom to marry is a fundamental human right. Being excluded from this right not only deprives same-sex couples of critical legal protections, it also demeans and stigmatizes same-sex relationships and encourages anti-LGBT discrimination. Throughout history, governments have denied the right to marry in order to dehumanize particular groups. Today, the same is true of laws that exclude LGBT people from marriage. While not everyone in our community wishes to marry, everyone deserves the freedom to make this choice. As a community, LGBT people deserve to be treated with equal dignity and respect and to have equal protection of the laws.

However, no matter what happens and regardless of the outcome, there are immutable facts which will remain. Watch in wonder as leftcoastvoter redefines winning and losing to mean the same thing. It's . . . something.

1 - Marriage was instituted by God. uh, really? there is absolutely no mention of Adam and Eve ever being married in the bible. Never mind that Adam and Eve's children must necessarily have married their sisters, so if god did institute marriage, he instituted incestuous marriage. No matter your religion (or lack thereof), all roots trace marriage back to a religious institution. This is silly. Just because, at some point, something was begun by a religion, doesn't make it religious today. Harvard was originally a divinity school. The only degrees they awarded were theological ones. Is Harvard a religious institution today? I am an atheist. I was married in Las Vegas by an Elvis impersonator. I think we can say that marriage today can be a religious ceremony, but it doesn't have to one. Besides that, the government gives religious institutions the right to perform ceremonies recognized by the government. A religious institution that does not have that right can marry anyone it pleases, but those marriages will be purely symbolic. Therefore, religion no longer rules marriage. Get over it. It always have has been and always will be a divine ordinance in God’s eyes. just try and prove that. with something other than bald assertions. you know, like with proof. (the bible does not count as proof. you quote the bible, i'll start quoting video games, and it all goes downhill from there.)

2 - Nothing that is said in front of, or done by, the California Supreme Court, will change the facts of Marriage. so why even worry about it? why get prop 8 on the ballot? why fight to get it passed? why fight to keep it as law? if it really doesn't matter, that is. Marriage will continue to be a Religious Principle random capitalization that has been accepted and codified by the laws of man. sure, to those who view marriage as a religious principal, it will remain a religious principal. to people like me, it will remain a civil and society principal. so what?

In light of these two tenets, people may protest the decision of the court, legislatures may enact additional laws and pass future referendums, and courts may continue to pass judgements as time marches on. so why are you participating in this useless debate?

None of these will change the Divine Nature of Marriage. what is with the random capitalization? is this guy german or something?

This cannot be refuted any more than one can argue against the Laws of Physics actually, physicists argue the laws of physics all the time. there's quite a lot of debate about some of them. and, rAndoM capiTaliZation. In the end, gravity wins. in the end, gravity exists. i'm pretty sure gravity doesn't care about marriage at all.

Think about it. You have time. i don't even know what that's supposed to mean. asshat.

*that was not the link included in the post. for obvious reasons. this is the information included about Minter in the original link: is a transsexual who spent his first 35 years as a female. yup. that's all they could think of to say. here's a look at what actually is important about Minter:

In 2005, Shannon was one of 18 people to receive the Ford Foundation's "Leadership for a Changing World" award. In 2004, he was awarded an Honorary Degree from the City University of New York School of Law for his advocacy on behalf of same-sex couples and their families.

Shannon has also received the Anderson Prize Foundation's Creating Change Award by the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force and the Distinguished National Service Award from GAYLAW, the bar association for LGBT lawyers, law students, and legal professionals in Washington, D.C., Cornell Law School’s Exemplary Public Service Award, the Unity Award from Bay Area Lawyers for Individual Freedom, the Advocacy Award from the San Francisco Bar Association, and the Justice Award from Equality California.

Shannon has authored numerous articles and books on LGBT legal issues, including Transgender Rights (University of Minnesota Press 2006) and Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Family Law (West Publishing 2008). He has taught as an adjunct or associate professor at Boalt, Stanford, Golden Gate, Santa Clara, and the University of San Francisco Schools of Law.

Shannon serves on the American Bar Association Commission on Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity. He also serves on the boards of Equality California and the Transgender Law & Policy Institute.

Shannon received his J.D. from Cornell Law School in 1993. He is originally from Texas.